More petrol on the fire
When you think about the team he owns and the players he has if he thinks that the rate is too high I am happy to listen and in this point I agree with him.
His points about better reffing will catch naughty markers is wrong it can not be done the modes/cheats are to clever, one of the most common ones I know about in the states (beside the breakout mode) needs the player to shoot the gun at more than 7bps to keep the cheat mode active, how on earth could any ref find that.
And as for the player being banned, that gun was supplied by an UKPSF trade member in ramp enabled mode, but will the ukpsf say anything to them, no of course it wont it will just let the inexperienced player who just thought he could shoot fast to carry the can.
And as for signing documents about not using ramping chips, the player who was banned at the masters would have quite happily signed that because he purchased his ion from a ukpsf trade shop and they wouldn't supply something like that would they.
Of course they would and have done for years and perhaps the insurance companys should be told that.
Do rec ball games carry insurance because there is more full auto/ramping guns at them than any other.
I found a fully auto marker at the UKPSF big game and what was done, nothing
I found many guns firing at over the limit and nothing was done apart from asking them to turn it down and one was 420fps but who's bothered about it really. As long as the events make money who gives a **** about the people paying the bills.
What about the player who was shot through the top of his goggles so got hit in the face at the masters (Kewi Jono) if that had happened at the PA we would have had a 20 page rant on here by now and have been blaming it on the ramping, or was it the cheats allowed at other events, maybe, maybe not but should we not tell the insurance companies what happened and point out the risk to their funds
Russ
I spoke to Robbo about this and he told me that it was not ramping itself he does not like but the unrealistic rate of fire it allows you to reach.Originally posted by Steve Bull
With my series event organisers head on I totally agree with Robbo, Syd, (South west league) and the UK masters - we don’t want ramping, simple. The problem is there will always be players pushing the rules and if the example set by the UKM this weekend is followed by other UK “regional” organisers, players using ramping will be banned.
When you think about the team he owns and the players he has if he thinks that the rate is too high I am happy to listen and in this point I agree with him.
His points about better reffing will catch naughty markers is wrong it can not be done the modes/cheats are to clever, one of the most common ones I know about in the states (beside the breakout mode) needs the player to shoot the gun at more than 7bps to keep the cheat mode active, how on earth could any ref find that.
And as for the player being banned, that gun was supplied by an UKPSF trade member in ramp enabled mode, but will the ukpsf say anything to them, no of course it wont it will just let the inexperienced player who just thought he could shoot fast to carry the can.
They was also concerned when I explained about why we wanted a cap on the rate of fire at tournament level, as to what the other tounament events allow or say they will is another matter. Nobody is even thinking of letting customer sites have any sort of ramp mode and as for the tournament sites do you really think players do not break the rules at EVERY and I do mean EVERY event, well done to the girls who proved they had the balls to keep to there rules about banning a player who used a ramp mode.Originally posted by Steve Bull
Now with my UKPSF head on I had a conversation with an insurance company a couple of weeks ago and they were very concerned when I explained about ramping. There response was “I hope it is not being used on sites we insure!!” Well I assume that the 250 site members of the UKPSF do not and have not intention of using ramping markers with customers but what about the tournament organiser who they insure.
Well I must remember to give them my input about what happens at the events they insure.Originally posted by Steve Bull
They will be reviewing the situation this is one reason why I and the UK Masters don’t allow ramping - we could loose our insurance !!!!! This would be the end of my events because I will not run events without insurance. Players playing my events sign a document to say they are not using ramping chips and if they are they accept they will be banned if found, they also accept that if they cause an injury as a result of a ramping marker they will be liable!!!
Steve
And as for signing documents about not using ramping chips, the player who was banned at the masters would have quite happily signed that because he purchased his ion from a ukpsf trade shop and they wouldn't supply something like that would they.
Of course they would and have done for years and perhaps the insurance companys should be told that.
Well we did and ours is fine they may have expressed some concern if I told them what happens at other events !!!Originally posted by Steve Bull
The question must be asked - have any other organisers actually spoken their insurers and explained what ramping is or do they prefer not to mention it incase their insurance is withdrawn - assuming they are insured.
Steve
Do rec ball games carry insurance because there is more full auto/ramping guns at them than any other.
I found a fully auto marker at the UKPSF big game and what was done, nothing
I found many guns firing at over the limit and nothing was done apart from asking them to turn it down and one was 420fps but who's bothered about it really. As long as the events make money who gives a **** about the people paying the bills.
What about the player who was shot through the top of his goggles so got hit in the face at the masters (Kewi Jono) if that had happened at the PA we would have had a 20 page rant on here by now and have been blaming it on the ramping, or was it the cheats allowed at other events, maybe, maybe not but should we not tell the insurance companies what happened and point out the risk to their funds
Russ