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mad dog

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Originally posted by Collier
Mark, you don't agree with ramping fair enough, make it all go away in one simple step, tell us how to catch cheat chips?

Of course Hatts is trying to make money, are we begrudging someone making a living now, ffs why do you think the ms partners do it??
Yes the ramping checking wasn't done spot on THIS ROUND, rome weren't built in a frikken day!

Hatts is trying something new for the good of UK paintball, personally I think thats a good thing!

And once again if ramping wasn't legal I would %100 go buy an illegal chip cos there's no way anyone can proove I 'a' have it or 'b' was using it.

OK once again here we go.


Dont allow ramping modes to continue to fire after the trigger has been released its unsafe.

15 bps cap lovely, nice odd number to which most players easily achieve.

Reduced rate of fps great less injuries.


Create a tent with a firing range and chrono behind it have two voted in chrono judges that change every tourney with the tech back ground to understand the boards and modes and test guns.

There and then test, trigger bounce, what board being used, and modes, rate of fire, fps, etc ,etc.

When check and touney ready a seal goes on the board or grip housing which if opens breaks the seal hense making the marker void and open to penalties unless good reason and re-checked.

A chrono judge looks at the marker on field, checks the seal and knows its been checked and not tampered with, all breaks on the seal will be dealt with very serious and re checked for cheating.

The chono judge then has to only check fps and move him on to the field he must tick off on sheet all team markers checked. full stop.

Pure skill only then happens and non cheating boards are a thing of the past as with ramping or any other velocity modes, because a strict test has been done.

Look at other sports mate , a tent with a couple of judges even before the games will get this issue sorted straight away, hense the the more cheats thing.
 

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There are two very separate issues here.

1) is ramping a good / bad thing in and of itself.

2) if you are going to allow ramping, you STILL have to police the players and their guns.


Seems this last weekend there were serious problems, all of which can be fixed with effort and money, and the proof will be in exactly what happens at the next event, seems there is a significant number of players/teams that are starting to questions exactly what the PA offers them for their money.

oh - and still none of Oli questions have been answered.
:rolleyes:
 

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think the thing about the seals is a good idea!

probably the best thing youve said mad dog! ;)

how you would implement it is another story, might even be worth getting the tech guys in on it!

they would need to be durable though as they will be prone to a bit of rub...

but it would be up to a player to tell a judge at the end of a game if he had a broken seal

ahhh well! think this thread is almost as long as the bible now! :D
 

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Originally posted by Flash-Bugout
Plus things like adjusting trigger pull length, turning up LPRs on e-cockers to induce bounce.

There are a limited number of things you can seal in an obvious way.

Also, the time taken to check out each marker would be immense.
I notice you have not told me it would not work, but come up with a few excuses to what else would have to be checked for.

Well this can be logged that certain teams use certain markers when being checked then the marshall knows which team to look for and what marker on his log sheet from the day before.

He can then check that marker as a marker related to high risk for adjustment after sealed, if it shows as modified to cheat that player will be banned from that competition without good cause or exsplanation for his markers actions.

Knowledge is power, power is to be powerful over cheats.

This would be a professional approach to capping markers and would involve some labour yes, but soon a system will be available to stop all this and assist in speeding up process time.

Dont you think thats a fair way of equaling a game, no arguments , its fair on refs and makes thier job a little easier on field.

Games and comments wont be bitchy, and we can carry on with a fantastic sport down to team and player ability and tactics not chips that run your markers for you.

The skill involved in one pull one ball, is down to player ability and he is responsible for his actions,.

He pulls the trigger it fires , he shoots he hits, great the player did it not a chip allowing a set of rapid firing balls to randomly hit players.

Where is the skill in that, it not satisfying and has all kinds of high rate risk issues.

I agree its fun once in a while to see a string of balls come out and wow everyone wants to fire fast , but soon an accident will happen we will suffer for it and we will become bored.

A car is always nice when you first get it drive" its great "you say then you become bored and change it and buy something else,.

Well we all have seen fast markers, and what was wrong with the old ways of play, with a few adjustments, or is just a intelligent marketing ploy going horribly wrong to make a few people some money quickly from a gimik.

there has been no change in play or results as teams are still good teams out there no matter what modes they fire in but to set a level of play for everyone is to think safety first, and regulating it properly first,

Ever seen a group of guys in the states with pumps play and win against some ramping markers, its all about commitment and knowing how to play not how fast you can shoot or ramp.

Ramping does not even fields of play.
 

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Originally posted by Sick Psyko
think the thing about the seals is a good idea!

probably the best thing youve said mad dog! ;)

how you would implement it is another story, might even be worth getting the tech guys in on it!

they would need to be durable though as they will be prone to a bit of rub...

but it would be up to a player to tell a judge at the end of a game if he had a broken seal

ahhh well! think this thread is almost as long as the bible now! :D

ARrrrrr well the seal would be fixed to a screw that holds your grip to you marker, you mostly have to remove a screw to open the grips and replace things like batteries for instance, if that creates a problem and your battery dies you go to the tech tent and replace the battery in front of the tech, and he checks and replaces the seal screw or tag.

Hense the need for a second spare marker also tagged for such a problem arising.

The screw would have a special key but be sealed and locked on the grip only opened by breaking the seal to gain entry, it can be self locking but not permanent unless tampered with.

Oh and by the way, have the idea drawn up and patents pending by the way for those out there if you want pinch it, Not.

It is my idea but its for the sport I thought of this so if someone makes money off it give me a bit please.

:D
 

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Originally posted by mad dog
I notice you have not told me it would not work, but come up with a few excuses to what else would have to be checked for.

Well this can be logged that certain teams use certain markers when being checked then the marshall knows which team to look for and what marker on his log sheet from the day before.

He can then check that marker as a marker related to high risk for adjustment after sealed, if it shows as modified to cheat that player will be banned from that competition without good cause or exsplanation for his markers actions.
I don't believe that it wouldn't work :)

Just that with the sport (well, lets be honest, game/hobby) the way it is today, the logistics and time required would be a nightmare, and cost prohibitive.

Perhaps (hopefully) in ten or fifteen years time when we have progressed into a sport we will see F1 style scrutineers, and marked kit, but I don't think I'll see the resources required in my playing lifetime.
 

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Originally posted by Dark Warrior
As these boards are non standard don't you think they will stand out a bit on inspection
if you have the know how you can reprogram the board, so it looks the same but has hidden shiz on it.
this idea wont work. but it is good to see someone trying to think of solutions.
another thing, there are many different markers with many different grip frames and buttons in various places, i dont see the possibility of a universal grip.
 
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