pa - banned for swearing?

[Toby MT]

ill have a free da bracknell 7 t-shirts

p.s ginga wig it is me peplington

 

[Toby MT]

that is quality mate

nice one

 

[H]

The Millennium tried this whole 'no looking' dead box rule a few years ago......went down like a lead balloon and was overturned shortly after it was implemented (i think)

Sounds like the PA is making the same mistake. Will people ever learn?

 

[John C]

Because of the way the millenium is structured they cant ignore the views of the players.

The state of Paintball in the UK is different and has been for some time.

PS anyone who wants to support the bracknell 7, put this image in your sig!!!

[IMG]http://www.btinternet.com/~paula.clayton/brak.jpg[/IMG]

 

[Buddha 3]

Originally posted by Ben Frain
But we also don't have spectators giving away player positions either - are you saying you want that in 7 man too? (Personally I don't think it would be such a bad think but that's another discussion)

Or sub players running on and kicking the odd ball when it comes there way. The point is it IS the rule. I don't see why everyone has a problem, them the rules, why not just play by them?

I'm a believer that prevention is better than cure, you're solution is more preventative (plus getting really good refs is harder than it sounds) were this solution stops the event even arising.

I think perhaps as the league evolves more and more teams will have a proper 'manager' who doesn't actually play but does watch from the sidelines and see the full game from a totally unique perspective and perhaps more objectively than we all do at the minute from the deadbox. Then the issue of watching the game from the EPZ is likley to become mute.

Personally I couldn't give a toss about spectators giving away positions. It already happens anyway. The only reason I brought up the footy analogy, is because it seems everybody wants us to be like a real sport (which we are not....sorry).

Yes, it is the rule, so yes people should adhere to it. But forums like these are meant to enable us to discuss rule changes and whatnot. The PA can do whatever they want with the opinions posted here, but they'd be damn stupid if they kept a rule if 95% of it's customers go boo and hiss over. (not saying it's 95%, just making an example)

 

[Buddha 3]

Originally posted by John C
Because of the way the millenium is structured they cant ignore the views of the players.

Same goes for PA and any other league. It's still you, the players, that're paying for the whole shindig. What, you think Motorola pays for it all?

 

[Dark Warrior]

Play by the sword
Die by the sword
Play by the rules
Win or lose by the rules

If you win and a call goes your way - best refs in the world

If you lose and a call goes against you - worst refs ever

Which is right??


A ref is no more perfect that a player and vice versa

All UK leagues need more refs not just the PA

Both players and refs need to be lose the attitudes

Don't knock something that is different, it just might be your future.

How many tournie players would actually go back to playing woods-ball

 

[Ben Frain]

Originally posted by Buddha 3
Personally I couldn't give a toss about spectators giving away positions. It already happens anyway. The only reason I brought up the footy analogy, is because it seems everybody wants us to be like a real sport (which we are not....sorry).

Yes, it is the rule, so yes people should adhere to it. But forums like these are meant to enable us to discuss rule changes and whatnot. The PA can do whatever they want with the opinions posted here, but they'd be damn stupid if they kept a rule if 95% of it's customers go boo and hiss over. (not saying it's 95%, just making an example)

I agree we aren't a 'real' sport, and personally I couldn't give an arse if there is a single spectator there or not, it makes squat all difference to my enjoyment of the game.

However, having a strict league, with definate rules (Full rulebook available, not just playing another series rules etc), registered players and rosters, a strict team limit, seeding for teams (not perfect but for crying out loud at least they made the effort and it's far in advance of anything that has gone before), refs that aren't allowed to play for any teams, strict year on year relegation and demotion, permanent venue for every event, bi-annual conferences to discuss changes of rules etc, consice penalty point process (sosta rule is far better for PA as it is more likely to effect your season standing than a 141 that will (at best) only effect the outcome of one game)...

There is more but the point is, for me, the positive features of the rules and structure that the PA has put in place FAR outweigh the few negatives. No other domestic series has gone to this much trouble. That is an indesputable fact. I don't give an arse what they did/do for the Millinium/NPPL/PSP/Timbucktoo league because I don't play it. I know that is a selfish opinion but I don't treat my 7man domestic as a warm up to anything. That is all I want to play so as long as the rules make sense for the event I want to play I fully support them for all the positive aspects they bring along with it.

The PA and the rules it employs don't necassarily make good sense or stack up with other series both in the UK and around the world but I think that is the most positive aspect about it.

What's more, I don't think it's always in the best interests of an event to change everything they want to do because of the paying customer. Sometimes there can be a case of too many chiefs and not enough indians. By all means the rules should be discussed, that's what the conferences are for but once they are set, we should all just play by them. The same goes for any series. Of course we pay to play and we should have some say but by we are also agreeing to pay by the rules of the game. Rules we all knew to start off with.

That said I haven't got a clue what went on with this whole swearing thing, either the Bracknell boys or Hooded Claw's so I'm not making any suggestion one way or the other who was in the right or wrong or whether the punishment given actually fitted/fits the offence...

 

[Dark Warrior]

Lets have a swear box on the field and make it a fiver a cus
Charged to the team and proceeds donated to Childline @ end of the year

 

[ginga wig]

Ben, i think what you said is 100% on the button....

Like i have said before, i am not pointing the finger at anyone - the teams at that leg of the PA can make there own judgments, some of which will be positive towards the marshalling, some negative. I think the rule system of which the PA have in place is one of the best and most thought out in the UK.

Now obviously, they cant please eveybody all the time. Some teams may think the rules are good but others may disagree...unfortunatly, thats the way things are.

At the time we played the event, we read the rules they introduced. Not saying we agreed with them but we did sign the piece of paper. We had a problem on one of the fields, we spat our dummy and we paid the price. I am big enough and ugly enough to understand that.

Without 'bigging' us up as the best team in paintball (which, i can assure you we are not!!) but wouldn't it be nice if the marshelling was the same standard as the standard you are playing paintball? Having said that, we were playing in the afternoon session and the marshals had been on the fields for a number of hours before we even set foot in the place, and knowing how knackering torny marshaling can be, we as a team cannot blame them. Infact, i will go as far as to praise them for an outstanding job in difficult circumstances.

The problems came after the event, which as i said before, i am not willing to place on the forum because a) i think it would be unfare to the event organisers and b) i dont want to be known as 'that whinging team'.....