pa - banned for swearing?

[Russell Smith]

Originally posted by Buddha 3
Hatts, since you're here....what's with the no-lookey rule?
Surely you are well aware that the Millennium Series became an international focus of ridicule when the introduced a similar rule about three years ago? So what's the thinking behind this? Not bashing, just enquiring...

Jay

We had a team managers meeting on the saturday before the event and I proposed as the PA Ultimate that all dead players should be allowed to leave the field and then they could if they wished watch the rest of the game or get ready for the next.

The managers present voted to do it the way it was done on the sunday.

I on a personal level hate not watching the rest of the game if I am out, So have no problem letting them but I only follow the rules as they are set out.
The PA is not a dictatorship but in this case I wish our views carried.

Russ

 

[Ronniepimpstar]

Can I just catagorically state... The hooded claw dude aint sh1t to do with us!!!

This is not an attack on the pa league... My outburst on the pa thread that got deleted, was not an attack on the pa league... I have never criticised the Ref's at the pa league, I have, publicly said there wasn't enough of them!! The Ref's are exceptional they do a dam good job..

My problem at the moment is this.. We had some outspoken players at the event on sunday ( myself included) and we had some harsh decisions (sh1t happens) but we have been made an example of since day one!! (maybe cos we be the ones with the big mouth) It was a very public affair!!

On monday there was a statement by the ultimate of the pa league saying he was going to expel a DIV1 TEAM!! Then the rumours started flying that it would be Just SoManc.... In my opinion we had a few players who's conduct was far below what is acceptable (myself included) Since then Just SoManc have spoken to The pa organisers, and Just Somanc have put forward...

The trouble causing, dummy spitting, toy chucking players (myself included) will play no more legs of the pa for the foreseeable future ( til we pick up our toys and put our dummy's back) and hopefully the pa league will allow Just SoManc to represent Manchester in the league for what it really is ( a bunch of scally, loud mouth yobs who swear a lot) This making the pa a much better place to be!!

I don't think it would be fair to judge the whole team for a few players actions but will accept whatever punishment the pa organisers deal us!!

Peace and Love Ronnie

 

[Russell Smith]

Originally posted by stongle
I think a better idea would be for all players to sit in the deadbox with a finger over their lips, like in infant school. Or make em do lines whilst in there so they can't see what's going on.

That'll learn em for getting shot out.

Hey what a great idea - Wonder if i can rig the vote at the managers meeting .

 

[jahlad]

no lookie rule eh.....
mmm tough one this really

as a player i like to watch the rest of the game BUT there is a hell of a temptation to shout at a ref etc.....

as a ref i like all the players nicely tucked behind a screen, out of the way where they arnt going to get shot and moan about it later, where they cant infulence the game, where they wont pester refs BUT at the same time they are there if they are needed....to be asked a question, if a marker needs testing etc....

if we let players watch the rest of the game then it presents the refs with more work.....at the moment, everyone agrees that whilst the pa has the best refs, we are under staffed....maybe if the players would learn to stick to the rules once they enter the epz then the situation can change.....maybe we make a change but also double the penelties for any rules broken from the epz?
theres an answer out there somewhere im sure but till we find it.....

 

[Buddha 3]

I think in this case the emphasis is being put on the wrong things. Rules are not meant to make the ref's job easier, they are just the rules, and the refs must enforce them. If you notice that people tend to be unafraid to break a certain rule, don't change the rule, up the ante by increasing the penalties! As soon as people start getting slapped with some harsh penalties, the rest will take notice, believe that.

Oh, and can we please stop talking about EPZ's? It makes my head hurt everytime I have to try and remember what it stands for. Just call it a deadbox for ****'s sake. Paintball is a non PC game, and no matter how many cute words we try to use, we're still a bunch of beer swigging, dope smoking, gun toting, fail to clean behind our asses, bullet shooting adrenaline addicts.
I don't have a marker, I have a gun that shoots bullets at my enemies.

 

[Hatts]

Originally posted by Buddha 3
I think in this case the emphasis is being put on the wrong things. Rules are not meant to make the ref's job easier, they are just the rules, and the refs must enforce them. If you notice that people tend to be unafraid to break a certain rule, don't change the rule, up the ante by increasing the penalties! As soon as people start getting slapped with some harsh penalties, the rest will take notice, believe that.

Oh, and can we please stop talking about EPZ's? It makes my head hurt everytime I have to try and remember what it stands for. Just call it a deadbox for ****'s sake. Paintball is a non PC game, and no matter how many cute words we try to use, we're still a bunch of beer swigging, dope smoking, gun toting, fail to clean behind our asses, bullet shooting adrenaline addicts.
I don't have a marker, I have a gun that shoots bullets at my enemies.

...of course rules are meant to make the ref's job easier...they are guidelines for how the game should be played...if there were no rules there wouldn't be a sport at all, just a load of people running around doing whatever they felt like (kind of like a paintball tournament )...hell even the World Air Guitar Championships have rules...

although I agree with you about "upping the ante" ... the expression "watch this space" comes to mind, although "watch the rulebook" might be more apt in the coming week

..and no we can't stop talking about EPZ's because that is official and correct terminolgy used by the MPANL, by the people who play and officiate in it and by the people who market the sport of Association Paintball in the UK.... either accept it or at the very least please have the courtesy to accept that it's being used correctly by those who are using it...whether you personally choose to or not.

...if someone developed a sport based on football and called the goal the "gunterwallamazoo" then the people playing that sport would expect (and quite rightly) anyone talking about it to also refer to it as the gunterwallamazoo and not the goal.

...and as for your last comment...now I know you're just trying to get a rise ... I don't believe for one second that someone with your experience and love of the game could say something like that without being sardonic ...at least I hope so

 

[Buddha 3]

Originally posted by Hatts
...of course rules are meant to make the ref's job easier...they are guidelines for how the game should be played...if there were no rules there wouldn't be a sport at all, just a load of people running around doing whatever they felt like (kind of like a paintball tournament )...hell even the World Air Guitar Championships have rules...

Actually, that just proves my point. Rules are there to make the ref's job harder. No rules means your refs can just kick back and relax. Rules mean that they have to get off their asses and do stuff.

Originally posted by Hatts
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although I agree with you about "upping the ante" ... the expression "watch this space" comes to mind, although "watch the rulebook" might be more apt in the coming week

Cool. I think you guys are smart enough to be able to review what went well and what did not go well after an X amount of time, and are willing to make adjustments accordingly. I guess that in a way the introduction of the NLR (No Lookey Rule) is a product of that. You saw a problem in interference from the deadbox and did something about it. If it was the right thing to do or not, time will tell.

Fair enough on the name thingy by the way, but I hope you don't feel offended if I choose to keep saying deadbox instead of Schnitzelbunk, it's just me being lazy...

Originally posted by Hatts
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...and as for your last comment...now I know you're just trying to get a rise ... I don't believe for one second that someone with your experience and love of the game could say something like that without being sardonic ...at least I hope so

Honest answer? I usually refer to my marker as my gun, my shooting iron, my gat, my pipa (Dutch slang), my bullet slinger.... I have been know to refer to paintballs as ammo and bullets. Pods are clips. However, this is usually done in such an over the top way that anybody will know we're not being serious, but I am most definitely not a PC type of guy. Have a look at www.evil-paintball.com and see the sort of thing I mean.

 

[evil sharks matt]

Originally posted by Hatts


...if someone developed a sport based on football and called the goal the "gunterwallamazoo" then the people playing that sport would expect (and quite rightly) anyone talking about it to also refer to it as the gunterwallamazoo and not the goal.

Nowt like going over the top is there?

 

[Hatts]

Originally posted by John C

If you ask me its another case of organisers overreacting and penalising the paying customers for the sake of the phantom members of the public (the odd old geezer walking his dog) who not only dont support the league financially, but clearly cant care less.

Ahhh...paying customers...yes, a point frequently overlooked in this argument is the "majority" factor. Every player is a "paying customer" as you put it. Now then If we have half a dozen people causing problems and spoiling the enjoyment of all the others, what do you suggest we do?

It's not over-reaction, it's keeping it in perspective. I am certainly not going to spoil the enjoyment of 300+ people on the day because 3 or 4 feel they are special and the universe revolves around them.

The PA has a very simple philosophy:

These are the rules, this is the way things are. You either buy into or you don't. If you do you're welcome with open arms, if you don't then go play somewhere else.

That's how an effective and functioning society works. If you don't like the food in the restaurant or the waiter service then go eat somewhere else.

We really don't mind...honestly...if you think abusing the referees or demanding that the organisers delay games until your team can be bothered to turn up at the field or firing through the netting at spectators or trying to intimidate the refs to make a call go your way or trying to get a call changed by threatening to "quit" and storming off in a "little girl hissy fit" because it didn't go your way is all acceptable then go somewhere where you can get away with it ...just don't bring it to the PA.

As chairman of the PA I've now got over 800+ people to look after and I am not in any way going to jeopordise what the PA has achieved so far and what it continues to do for the sport of paintball because a few people have the attitude that they are more important than everyone else.

The paying customer is always right? I'm afraid in real life you'll find it's the "majority" of paying customers who are always right.

 

[Hatts]

Originally posted by evil sharks matt
Nowt like going over the top is there?

What???

You mean you've never played "Gunterwallamazoo-ball"?