pa - banned for swearing?
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Ohhh I'm world champion at that, and hosing dead boxes.Originally posted by evil sharks matt
I think so? is that the one where you shoot the refs?
Glen "Mini-Carkus" Stone.
You are stopping the paying customers watching games by making them sit the other way, not just a minority, but all of them. Everyone I have talked to personally has said they don’t like it.
Now the whole no swearing and the positioning of the deadbox is according to you for the benefit of spectators. They aren’t paying customers, they don’t even exist and by the rate of growth of people interested in watching paintball in the UK they probably never will, so why break your back trying to cater for them?
No one is questioning the penalties put in place for abusing marshals or trying to intimidate them (hmm I marshaled tournaments from the age of 16 and was never intimidated by anyone, perhaps you should have more faith in your marshals).
"I ****ing shot him" is not abuse of the marshalls, it is what people say when their mouth is running faster than their brain, It happens to everyone in every level of every sport.
"Your ****ing **** marshall" is abuse of the marshalls.
I can differentiate between these two statements, you will just have to make sure your marshalls can too.
Abuse and intimidation don’t happen at any tourneys I have been to recently, and most of them don’t have the no lookey rule. Maybe because your marshals have considerably more work to do, they may be susceptible but at most normal tourneys this is not a problem.
Either way save your harsher penalties for really bad offences, over use of them will reduce their effectiveness as a deterrent.
Russ, got your PM, for what it's worth, having "Dead" players leave the field IMHO is a better one. Surely someone will have to ensure the "Dead" players are actually facing away from the action, thus subtracting further on field staff to monitor the EPZ. Having a vote on the rules may seem democratic, but not always a good idea.
To have a Utopian Vision for the MPANL is fine, but it's a bit like Communism (there is a strange similarity between the MPANL and former USSR, what's next the Gulag for wipers?), only workable on a global scale. Even if you manage to ring fence the MPANL from the rest of the world, which is extremely liable as the players are going to be ill-equipped to play Internationally (there's no such thing as Bonus Balls merely leaving presents); your still at the mercy of Global trends.
Tournament paintball is a fast paced adrenalin "game" where people shoot at each other with shock horror: guns, axes, gats, bullet chuckers, Uzis, 9's, betokeners, bagels whatever they chose to call em ( a marker is something I use to write on telephone boxes with ). A by-product of that is people will cheat, get shot-up (sometimes a lot), and tempers will get frayed. We all understand and accept that as part of the game. By attempting to resolve some of the bi-products (that the global majority seem to be quite happy with), you may sanitise the game to such a degree the adrenalin aspect is lost forever.
The PA Vision maybe that of a sizable chunk of UK players, but it's not everyone's, nor something we can all subscribe too. I like shooting bullets at people and making them dead. I want to be entertained by some flair, even if the players are the devil incarnate as spitting dummies is often more entertaining than the games themselves.
Glen "Mini-Carkus" Stone, Bullet Chucking and Dummy Spitting for 30 years.
To have a Utopian Vision for the MPANL is fine, but it's a bit like Communism (there is a strange similarity between the MPANL and former USSR, what's next the Gulag for wipers?), only workable on a global scale. Even if you manage to ring fence the MPANL from the rest of the world, which is extremely liable as the players are going to be ill-equipped to play Internationally (there's no such thing as Bonus Balls merely leaving presents); your still at the mercy of Global trends.
Tournament paintball is a fast paced adrenalin "game" where people shoot at each other with shock horror: guns, axes, gats, bullet chuckers, Uzis, 9's, betokeners, bagels whatever they chose to call em ( a marker is something I use to write on telephone boxes with
). A by-product of that is people will cheat, get shot-up (sometimes a lot), and tempers will get frayed. We all understand and accept that as part of the game. By attempting to resolve some of the bi-products (that the global majority seem to be quite happy with), you may sanitise the game to such a degree the adrenalin aspect is lost forever. The PA Vision maybe that of a sizable chunk of UK players, but it's not everyone's, nor something we can all subscribe too. I like shooting bullets at people and making them dead. I want to be entertained by some flair, even if the players are the devil incarnate as spitting dummies is often more entertaining than the games themselves.
Glen "Mini-Carkus" Stone, Bullet Chucking and Dummy Spitting for 30 years.
Funny, we all understand that a by product of walking down the street may be getting assaulted and having our nose broken/phone stolen, but I don't see the majority being happy with that.
Why should we accept behaviour such as the bonus ball?
John,
I interpret your comments as either you don't get what we're doing, which is OK, or you simply don't want to...which is equally OK but not particularly productive for anyone.
All I can suggest is that if you feel so strongly that you want to make a difference to the PA and improve things then get involved rather than becoming just another opinion blowing in the wind. Impotent postings in a public chatroom are hardly likely to sway my opinion or that of any other PA official...or for that matter any one who plays in the league.
There is an organised structure and procedures in place which, strangely enough, works.
If players don't like something they can raise the issue with their managers who in turn can raise the issues with the PA. Just like what happened at the Managers Mid Season Conference, where I believe it has already been mentioned that the team managers were in favour of keeping the present system. So I really have no idea who you've been talking to recently.
Unlike any other tournament series, the people who do buy into the concept of the PA understand and appreciate that no one individual or team is more important than the League or the sport of paintball itself.
The PA is not about cramming in the most teams possible into a day to see how much money we can make, it's about creating an organised and formalised structure that works and can be sold to the outside world for the benefit of all paintballers...unlike any other tourney or series the PA will not hesitate on dropping any team or player if it thinks that their actions jeoprdise the PA or paintball as a whole.
Why do we bend over backwards to accomodate spectators? So that when we do get them everything is in place for them to have a good day and go tell other people about how great paintball is. As you apparently believe that we'll never get them, then if you're right I guess I am wasting my time. I believe however that with enough hard work and effort we can get them...with the attitude that we never will so why bother we'll certainly never get anywhere.
I sincerely hope I am and have misinterpreted your comments about refs, but I'm afraid that the way I read it, it only reinforces to me that you obviously have a poor attitude and very little respect, if any, towards the hard work that these people do and have little understanding or appreciation for what it takes and what it means to be a PA referee. Like any player these boys and girls actually take pride in what they do and comments like yours really don't encourage people to put that shirt on...which is why we don't want people with that attitude to ref's in the MPANL...
and if you haven't seen abuse towards ref's...get out more...and it's not just on the field, it's in forums like this...and whether you appreciate it or not all the bitching and whining about the ref's does actually have an impact...and it's not a good one.
Note to all...Referees are the key to paintball "THE SPORT". If you can't bring yourself to openly support them, or get off your lazy backside and put a shirt on yourself as a professional ref and not just coz you don't fancy playing this weekend and you can make a bit of cash standing around with your thumb up your ar$e then for the good of paintball at the very least keep your gob shut and don't try and pass off bitching and moaning as "constructive" critiscism.
I interpret your comments as either you don't get what we're doing, which is OK, or you simply don't want to...which is equally OK but not particularly productive for anyone.
All I can suggest is that if you feel so strongly that you want to make a difference to the PA and improve things then get involved rather than becoming just another opinion blowing in the wind. Impotent postings in a public chatroom are hardly likely to sway my opinion or that of any other PA official...or for that matter any one who plays in the league.
There is an organised structure and procedures in place which, strangely enough, works.
If players don't like something they can raise the issue with their managers who in turn can raise the issues with the PA. Just like what happened at the Managers Mid Season Conference, where I believe it has already been mentioned that the team managers were in favour of keeping the present system. So I really have no idea who you've been talking to recently.
Unlike any other tournament series, the people who do buy into the concept of the PA understand and appreciate that no one individual or team is more important than the League or the sport of paintball itself.
The PA is not about cramming in the most teams possible into a day to see how much money we can make, it's about creating an organised and formalised structure that works and can be sold to the outside world for the benefit of all paintballers...unlike any other tourney or series the PA will not hesitate on dropping any team or player if it thinks that their actions jeoprdise the PA or paintball as a whole.
Why do we bend over backwards to accomodate spectators? So that when we do get them everything is in place for them to have a good day and go tell other people about how great paintball is. As you apparently believe that we'll never get them, then if you're right I guess I am wasting my time. I believe however that with enough hard work and effort we can get them...with the attitude that we never will so why bother we'll certainly never get anywhere.
I sincerely hope I am and have misinterpreted your comments about refs, but I'm afraid that the way I read it, it only reinforces to me that you obviously have a poor attitude and very little respect, if any, towards the hard work that these people do and have little understanding or appreciation for what it takes and what it means to be a PA referee. Like any player these boys and girls actually take pride in what they do and comments like yours really don't encourage people to put that shirt on...which is why we don't want people with that attitude to ref's in the MPANL...
and if you haven't seen abuse towards ref's...get out more...and it's not just on the field, it's in forums like this...and whether you appreciate it or not all the bitching and whining about the ref's does actually have an impact...and it's not a good one.
Note to all...Referees are the key to paintball "THE SPORT". If you can't bring yourself to openly support them, or get off your lazy backside and put a shirt on yourself as a professional ref and not just coz you don't fancy playing this weekend and you can make a bit of cash standing around with your thumb up your ar$e then for the good of paintball at the very least keep your gob shut and don't try and pass off bitching and moaning as "constructive" critiscism.
Sorry Flash but your logic is kinda flawed buddy. Getting robbed and beaten up is not a by-product of walking down the street, obviously you wouldnt accept it, but its not a by-product, unless you live in Liverpool theres a low chance of it happening on yur average journey. On a paintball field, every game people shoot at each other and paintballs fly everywhere-getting shot more than once is a by-product of paintball
Many players always take bonus balling as being poor behaviour on the part of the one doing the shooting, in some cases this is true. However, unless you are making it CLEAR that your eliminated, you should expect it. When judging in toulouse last year, I would often get yelps from players claiming they are being bonused-yet they are also wondering off the field slow, arms down etc.......When real bonus balling was happening/total ignorance of signals, offenders were 141'd simple!
Players should make it clear they are eliminated, and part of good judging is making sure live players respect the signals of judges and eliminated players.
I do not see why the PA needs a no look rule if the judges are firm, knowledgable, experienced and confident in decisions. The MS board tried it, and failed it.
Many players always take bonus balling as being poor behaviour on the part of the one doing the shooting, in some cases this is true. However, unless you are making it CLEAR that your eliminated, you should expect it. When judging in toulouse last year, I would often get yelps from players claiming they are being bonused-yet they are also wondering off the field slow, arms down etc.......When real bonus balling was happening/total ignorance of signals, offenders were 141'd simple!
Players should make it clear they are eliminated, and part of good judging is making sure live players respect the signals of judges and eliminated players.
I do not see why the PA needs a no look rule if the judges are firm, knowledgable, experienced and confident in decisions. The MS board tried it, and failed it.
Originally posted by Hatts
Note to all...Referees are the key to paintball "THE SPORT". If you can't bring yourself to openly support them, or get off your lazy backside and put a shirt on yourself as a professional ref and not just coz you don't fancy playing this weekend and you can make a bit of cash standing around with your thumb up your ar$e then for the good of paintball at the very least keep your gob shut and don't try and pass off bitching and moaning as "constructive" critiscism. [/QUOTE
dude r u serios?
If i pay to play i expect the refs to do there job, if i dont get that then surly i have a right to voice my opinions about it?
thats like saying guns are the key to paintball - if you buy one and it breaks, don't moan unless your willing to make a gun yourself lol
Well said Matski!
Too often have I heard a player complain about 'Overshooting' when the player, even when told by a Ref that he was eliminated, slowly gets up and meanders off the field.
If you don't get off the field as fast as you can with your hand up, then you're going to get someone thinking that you're a legitimate target