Oooooh!! Dynasty FA Scandal!!

[Pinchaaay]

Whereas we may have problems monitoring each suspected markers boards, in the interim wouldn't it be more cost effective and simpler to set up a series of cameras around the field and then if there is any form of controversy in a particular game regarding a marker going full auto, it could be taped and monitored. This way, a panel of staff could replay the tape and lookout for any unnessesary fiddlings and tampering?

Kinda like cctv

Just an idea

"Pinchaaay!"

 

[Ben Frain]

No one I know can do 20BPS un-aided anyway so it should at least give you an indication, I certainly think video is potentially a good cheat deterrent as it will allow scrutiny after any suspected events, and perhaps give insights as to how some cheats (if they actually exist) are being activated, plus DV cameras are so cheap anyway...

Anything quicker than that (frame rate wise) and you are into mega bucks equipment, celluloid film based (as opposed to video)which is both completely impractical for your purpose and way too expensive to process.

 

[FMS]

This stroke me when I read Brockdorf's post about the F1 analogy.
In F1 they don't limit horsepower, because they don't cap what they can't control. It's as simple as that. Instead they cap cubic inches, width of wheels, minimum weight, gas consumption, number and size of wings, etc. All of which is easily accessible and controllable from the outside. No need to dig deep into the software of any microchips.

So for a start, why don't we put a limit on the maximum inner diameter of the hose? In combination with another rule stating the maximum pressure one is allowed as input pressure for the gun, this effectively limits the air consumption and thus the ROF. Of course this rule would blatantly ignore the specific problems with gas hogs and/or double staged balanced regs like the Armageddon. But it would be a rule which is simple, concise and easily checked.

Another option would be the basic design of the trigger, but I will have to think that over again.

Some more ideas: minimum distance between grip and front reg, as to force the player into an uncomfortable position (not a very good one, I know), maximum battery power allowed in a loader (I like this one)

I somehow suspect my post will be ignored and/or dissed.
But I would still appreciate some constructive feedback.

 

[Gyroscope]

More likely to be ignored than dissed... oops. Blew that prediction.

I agree in principle with the notion of making rules governing what you can actually monitor and control.

I am in favor of FA.

If safety is the concern, what is needed is a better barrel blocking device (or other solution).

 

[TJ Lambini]

Interesting tack FMS - hey, technogimps (yes Manike, that means you and your buddies), whaddyathink?

 

[lowbudget]

not a techno-gimp, but I think that is the direction we should be going.

Instead of the hose ID a fitting or elbow that has a set ID and an overpressure valve built in. Much like a Nascar restrictor plate. It will only allow a certain amount of flow and trying to overpressurize will just result in the fitting venting.

 

[H]

not too bad.....idea

Or we could have the whole thing explode in the hands of the player.....god can u imagine the fireworks in a Naughty Dogs vs Dynasty game...what fabulous colours.

 

[Robbo]

It won't work as a fair regulatory device I'm afraid.
Different markers use designs to get that paintball out of the end of the barrel.
Different valve systems and flows etc would mean highly different efficiency (gas) factors.
So, by limiting the amount of energy (limiting gas flow) available would favour all those guns that are more efficient.
You would never get manufacturers across the board to sign up to any restriction like that.
'Hard luck' you might say, 'Let the less efficient markers fall by the wayside'....this ain't gonna work because the commercial inertia would be just too much to overcome.
This is not an easy problem to deal with as is so evident from the amount of posts we've had and even with big hitters like Manike, Brockdwarf and others, a coherent resolution still isn't clear.

I think this debate will run and run until somebody has a blinding flash of genius and shows us all the way to fair regulation.

 

[lowbudget]

Originally posted by Robbo
It won't work as a fair regulatory device I'm afraid.
Different markers use designs to get that paintball out of the end of the barrel.
Different valve systems and flows etc would mean highly different efficiency (gas) factors.
So, by limiting the amount of energy (limiting gas flow) available would favour all those guns that are more efficient.
You would never get manufacturers across the board to sign up to any restriction like that.
'Hard luck' you might say, 'Let the less efficient markers fall by the wayside'....this ain't gonna work because the commercial inertia would be just too much to overcome.
This is not an easy problem to deal with as is so evident from the amount of posts we've had and even with big hitters like Manike, Brockdwarf and others, a coherent resolution still isn't clear.

I think this debate will run and run until somebody has a blinding flash of genius and shows us all the way to fair regulation.

First off, I totally agree. But in the spirit of discussion lets pretend that the manufacturers have no choice. Some techno-gimp designs a product that will limit the performance of ALL guns, some more than others, by a non-electrical means. Certain guns choke with the device in place while others perform at an acceptable performance level for tournament play (except NXL..just make that FA for TJ's sanity).

What do you think the commercial impact would be? After all haven't the gun designers had to do this for years already?

 

[Mario]

my flash of genuis - lets go back to blowpipes....