But then how do you control velocity?!Originally posted by Mario
my flash of genuis - lets go back to blowpipes....
Oooooh!! Dynasty FA Scandal!!
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doesn't matter coz someone blowing through a blowpipe isn't gonna break through someones lenses or cause permanent damage to someone
or cause permanent damage to someone 
same way i see it. allowing FA would be like making heroin legal instead of going after the pushers.Originally posted by BaddahBoom
>>The by product of this meaning that hopefully the semi-auto game in Europe stabilises? Just a thought<<
this FA thing comes across to me like
"since the cheaters can shoot allmost FullAuto let's all go FullAuto "
so one thing less to cheat with !!
So what would that mean for Europe without FA,
more cheating ?!?
besides
i don't see why we should be held hostage by how cheaters approach the game of paintball
before we know it the cheaters are dictating how we all should play paintball.
that's seems to me the other way around
i would like to see
Any ramping board fullautoviolation Punished severly though meaning expulsion for the whole team for an event
and a year ban for the player in violation
and no special treatment for anyone
U do teh crime u do the time !!
if we ain't gonna stop them slowing them down is at least the first step IMO
but i guess i'm just too naïve
I can see the cheats now....speed loaders on top and taking some drugs to make you hyperventilate, trigger bounce indeed.Originally posted by Mario
my flash of genuis - lets go back to blowpipes....
ah but therein lies the benefit - you can test pretty well for drugs got to admit would be fun to try out. may have to be a project over the summer
got to admit would be fun to try out. may have to be a project over the summer 
Why not just allow what has already gone on (the ramping velocity, etc.), forget trying to cap ROF, feed rate, etc, there are too many variables in trying to regulate things that have numerous ways of being modified to cheat. Instead, simply limit the the amount of paint brought onto the field. Hell, even go as far as assigning people positions on the roster. For instance front players carry one pod (most do anyway), back players carry a max of four, and the mid/inserts carry two. FA would be allowed, the cheats would be allowed, but using this theory would place the play of the game back into the hands of the truly talented player and /or coach. Let someone rip out 20+ bps, but what would be the point to do so, you can't fake having paint. It would be so more blatanly obvious to pull a pod out from under ones jersey than to activate a microswitch via blue tooth technology. This would eliminate 99% of most cheats. The other 1% wouldn't realize there isn't any reason to cheat anymore, but would try anyway.
So... let me get this right, Cheaty Player X has a gun that ramps the velocity to 800fps and shoots at full auto if someone breathes in the vicinity of the marker (read, death cannon). But he's safe and ok, as he's only allowed to carry 250 balls.
I don't think you've really thought about it much have you?
I don't think you've really thought about it much have you?
Paint can handle only so much force being shot. Yes, we all know paint can still be shot at extremely high velocities, 800 fps, no, but high none the less. Most people know that a high FPS does not make for longer distances. Anyway, what I'm saying is if paint is limited to a certain amount per game, then it would certainly cut down on FA, cheats, etc. Who, in their right mind, would want to zip through streams of paint knowing that 2 or 3 (four at most) loaders is all you have to play a seven minute game with. One would be forced to conserve paint to last through a game. I'm not forgetting that some games last only seconds (those are the rare cases).
There would still be on field chronoing. That still applies. A marshall still has to be a marshal.
The point I'm getting at is when it comes to trigger bounce, FA, turbo boards, etc, let people use it. Set it up exhibition matches at various tournies, that's how X-ball gained popularity. See if this sort thing has a following, then decide from there. Another point to say is that you are assuming that this would make games one sided. Why? If a large percent of people are using it now while it is suppossedly illegal, don't you think once it's made legal, these tips/cheat modes, etc will be everywhere?
So TheBroz, I have given this some thought.
There would still be on field chronoing. That still applies. A marshall still has to be a marshal.
The point I'm getting at is when it comes to trigger bounce, FA, turbo boards, etc, let people use it. Set it up exhibition matches at various tournies, that's how X-ball gained popularity. See if this sort thing has a following, then decide from there. Another point to say is that you are assuming that this would make games one sided. Why? If a large percent of people are using it now while it is suppossedly illegal, don't you think once it's made legal, these tips/cheat modes, etc will be everywhere?
So TheBroz, I have given this some thought.
The 800fps was a hypothetical figure. An excessive velocity shot (350+) to the head or other critical region can do serious damage...especially if there is an acidental full-auto 10 ball burst of them in a bunkering.
It seems you're missing the point....full auto and all such simular things are flat out illegal in a great deal of european countries. So turning a blind eye to the issue could likely get organisers in a great deal of **** when tourney ball starts to get noticed a lot more. Introducing ways to discourage cheats (such as limiting paint) in the rather optimistic and unfounded hope that cheats will cease is a bit irresponsible.
I personally think the only true way of stopping the cheats and any dirty goings on is to put tight controls on the equipment. Sactioned and checked markers only, no tampering, no nothing. In formular 1 all the cars are checked after every grandprix, i much reason why this can't be done to a teams markers in an X-Ball competion. As mentioned before there would have to be a lot of co-operation between manufacurers and promoters, but i feel that this is the only sure fire way of totaly stamping out cheating. Don't make the cheats legal....just don't give the teams the oportunty to make their equipment cheat.
PS. A limit on paint usage would be like kinda saying "Ok kids, you can take Heroin, but only enough not to kill you"...Sorry had to do a drugs analogy, they are the hip thing in this discussion.
It seems you're missing the point....full auto and all such simular things are flat out illegal in a great deal of european countries. So turning a blind eye to the issue could likely get organisers in a great deal of **** when tourney ball starts to get noticed a lot more. Introducing ways to discourage cheats (such as limiting paint) in the rather optimistic and unfounded hope that cheats will cease is a bit irresponsible.
I personally think the only true way of stopping the cheats and any dirty goings on is to put tight controls on the equipment. Sactioned and checked markers only, no tampering, no nothing. In formular 1 all the cars are checked after every grandprix, i much reason why this can't be done to a teams markers in an X-Ball competion. As mentioned before there would have to be a lot of co-operation between manufacurers and promoters, but i feel that this is the only sure fire way of totaly stamping out cheating. Don't make the cheats legal....just don't give the teams the oportunty to make their equipment cheat.
PS. A limit on paint usage would be like kinda saying "Ok kids, you can take Heroin, but only enough not to kill you"...Sorry had to do a drugs analogy, they are the hip thing in this discussion.