Oooooh!! Dynasty FA Scandal!!

[noop]

Originally posted by manike
Here's a question for you all.

Would it be better to make methods of how to cheat widely known so that all judges can look for them and know how to catch them? or better to keep the methods quiet so less people are tempted to use them and get away with them when they can?

The less known that knowledge, the more powerful it is. Censorship is not the answer. Although I would not go as far to illustrate how to install/create the cheats, the major news sources should make not only professional judges, but the entire paintball community, aware of such matters.

I also think a 'Top 5 Gun Cheats' issue of PGI would sell well.

On the subject of cheats, I think a wireless activation cheat would be pretty sweet. You could have a friend watching you play hold a button when you are firing, and kick your gun into a full-auto mode until he lets up. Of course the full-auto mode would randomly cycle through a range of fire rates (say 20-26 bps) so your gun's signature wouldn't be too consistent. And it would check to make sure that the switch was being physically activated, or had been recently, so your friend just doesn't start making your gun fire without your finger on the trigger.

Or at least a basic breakout one. The player executes a timing sequence, with the result being, that at or a few seconds before 'Game On', the gun switches modes and stays that way for the first important seconds (maybe 20?) of the match. After that point you are back to regular ole' legally bouncing gun... until the timer is activated again.

The sky is the limit!

 

[snoop]

^^ genius lol IM IN!!! problem with that is.. people will do it in normal games.. not just tournaments to make them look better.. it would be a bitch

 

[beasty1711]

Originally posted by manike
Nope. No where near.

oops sorry i mis-read
/me gets his glass's checked

 

[Subterfuge]

For those of you that want F/A. You might as well buy a high powered squirt gun. That has to be the ultimate bps you are looking for.

 

[Booya39]

Your hopper can only hold so much paint.

Your pack can only hold so much paint.

Those 2 things would keep F/A from getting out of hand. You just wait for the other guy to run out of paint so then you run up on him and put 30 in his skull, with 1 trigger pull of course.
.... but I don't ever expect to see any of the leagues go F/A

This would give teams with paint sponsorships a HUGE advantage. If you have to pay for you paint you sure as hell aren't going to be running around shooting F/A. But if it's free, why not? At that point I would find it hard for many rookie/novice teams to knock off a pro team.

 

[noop]

Originally posted by Subterfuge
For those of you that want F/A. You might as well buy a high powered squirt gun. That has to be the ultimate bps you are looking for.

Newsflash, guns are being used that may as well be fully-automatic. Only you're still playing with a semi-auto.

 

[Reloaded]

Just my take on some of the things being mentioned in this thread:

First off with the whole bounce/turbo/ramp deal I think that any team regardless of status or importance in the game should be dealt with in a strict manor in terms of the one pull, one shot rule. It undermines the opposite teams effort to play fairly and gives the offending team a HUGE advantage.

I totally do not agree with TJ and the whole Full Auto move... while I can see it opening up the game from the shackles of some rule enforcement but it removes a lot of the gun skills involved in today's game. Snapshooting will now be more like snaphosing, plus it would increase the cost to play in tournaments making it tougher for rookie and novice teams to compete since most of them are on limited budgets with no paint sponsors. I honestly see FA closing up the fields and giving back players hernated discs from carrying 20+ pods and making front men a thing of the past... to TJ's comment on seeing someone do a bunker run with 3 people with FA on would be impossible, I mean that's 60 BPS in three different directions, saying that 20 BPS is the ROF... in a 4 second move that's 240 BPS from three directions, thanks but no thanks!

I think that the leagues should put a cap on ROF. The F1 has caps on the cars for the safety of the racers and support staff, the same should be done for paintball. If say you were to allow FA in a game a bunkering could involve like 40 balls being poured into your body from the result of a brief 2 second encounter if the ROF was at 20 BPS... now that alone would hurt like a bitch but say if the marker was hot? That could pound the crap out of a lens system faster then a person could react to save his eyesight. Their are just too many "what ifs" that could go really wrong with the whole FA thing.

I think the NPPL is moving in the right direction with that robot... if you could get some quick, unbiased mechanism to check markers before and after the game then you could effectively enforce any bounce/turbo/ramp rule... currently all we have are refs who can only enforce the rule if the marker is doing it enough to be noticable at that time. What if it's a turbo mode and kicks in after 10 BPS has been established?

As the game grows so does the need to contain it for a safe, fair format... we need to have ROF enforced in tournaments, let manufactures produce whatever they want for the general public to appeal in a sales pitch, but keep it fair in tournements to let the player and not the gear determine the outcome of our sport.

 

[kidzero]

i dont get it...
its so easy
you catch them bouncing->keep them of the field
you catch them FA-> ban them from the tournament/series/game at all, whatever
just enforce the rules strictly and people will stop cheating.
what do you think will, for example, the gardners tell the dinasty guys after they lost three tournaments in a row cause they had to start 2 guns short in the finals and rodney and ryan have a life time ban in the nppl, alex is banned in the millenium for the whole upcoming season and the team is near to get banned for the next psp-event? they will tell them: stop cheating or we wipe our asses with your contracts.
if the three top-series would get this together there would be no need for discussing FA anyway, right?
maybe i dont get the point of this, and if i am totally wrong, forgive me. but: why change the rules cause someone is breaking them, instead of ENFORCE the rules?

 

[Wadidiz]

Originally posted by kidzero
i dont get it...
its so easy
you catch them bouncing->keep them of the field
you catch them FA-> ban them from the tournament/series/game at all, whatever
just enforce the rules strictly and people will stop cheating.
what do you think will, for example, the gardners tell the dinasty guys after they lost three tournaments in a row cause they had to start 2 guns short in the finals and rodney and ryan have a life time ban in the nppl, alex is banned in the millenium for the whole upcoming season and the team is near to get banned for the next psp-event? they will tell them: stop cheating or we wipe our asses with your contracts.
if the three top-series would get this together there would be no need for discussing FA anyway, right?
maybe i dont get the point of this, and if i am totally wrong, forgive me. but: why change the rules cause someone is breaking them, instead of ENFORCE the rules?

The Millennium rules will not change to make it easier on cheating guns but rather to make the rules, procedures and possible penalties clearer and simpler. At future tournaments everyone, teams and all judges, will know exactly what is expected regarding pre-game and in-game inspections and penalties. If you read our current rules you'll see that some changes are needed.

We aren't going to back away from enforcement one iota.

Steve

 

[Robbo]

Reloaded : The robot (as used in Huntington) cannot detect markers that have their cheating software deactivated.
People are already well aware these switchable type markers are out there, I am not sure how to catch these other than having some sort of diagnostic interface with the marker's electronics and or video evidence.

The only other option is to pressure / force the manufacturers to produce standard, un-modifiable boards.

This has to be backed up with a resolve by all regulatory bodies that if any player is found to be in possesion of marker that has a designer cheat on it, then he is banned for a season, if he gets caught twice, he gets banned for life..end of !

The only problem is to discover who applies the much needed pressure to the manufacturers and what form that pressure takes.

If we wait any longer, we may find the sight of an eyeball whizzing past a judge's head may well be the pressure the manufacturers might end up responding to.
If this is the case, then EVERY SINGLE player out there who decides to designer cheat their guns is responsible.
Think about where the dynamics are for the reluctance of the industry to grasp this nettle and a fair proportion of the responsibility lies at the feet of the players who feel they need to win sooo much they need to compromise people's safety and the rules.