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What a load! Maybe Robbo took the right action on a similar thread meandering vainly down the same path. There doesn't seem to be any argument that hasn't already been made multiple times. I'll say again: pearls before schwein. Let's let it die until it can be shoved into a certain person's face a few weeks from now.
 

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Re: Chris,do me a favor

Originally posted by raehl
And nothing makes me more aware of the error of my ways than a nice personal insult. I don't know how your brilliance escaped my notice before. Thank you for your insult which so aptly brought your profound intelligence to my attention.


- Chris
Chris,ive come to the conclusion that nothing will make you more aware of the error of your ways...You insult me,you insult "paintball experts"(nice jab by the way),and you insult the game itself....

But im intelligent enough to know that when i see a baseball bat swinging for my head,I duck...Its seems you like to take it right across the face...Im done with the personal jabs and bitterness of this all...
 
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raehl

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Originally posted by paintpimp
Chris,

Just imagine if Daewoo was the only automobile manufacturer in the world. What if they charged you X amount of $$ for an automobile that didn't meet the reality or performance most consumers see in their current vehicles, and to top it off every customer gets a kick in the junk upon purchase. I'm sure under those conditions Daewoo would be the #1 automobile retailer in the world with increasing numbers of sales each year. Who knows they might even decrease vehicle reliability, features, or performance due to having to increase production.
This is an unrealistic example, because such conditions could never exist in a free market: A new company would start that would provide the same level of product for less money if such a thing were possible - just like a new promoter is entering the national circuit market, although their take is to charge a little more and make other changes in the quest of providing a better event. We'll see if they just manage to compete with PSP or blow PSP out of the water.

What am I trying to say? I have no clue. Maybe, players kept playing NPPL because it was the only game in town. What were the other options PanAm, the 2k2 version of WPF, ICC, NEPL, Sunshine Series, PACS, GTS, etc, etc, they're all regional.
WPF at least tried to be national - but they were never able to do as well as PSP at it. Especially last year, yech.

PSP attempted (by attempt I mean they printed it, but didn't mean it) to cap the AC event. I believe they had quoted 96 (I may be off on that #). Result, the event went uncapped. Additional fields were not set up to handle the additional teams. Before the cap the required # of fields per the rulebook were not setup.
The AC event ran pretty much on schedule. The reason for the change is PSP managed to make some changes in layout etc. to accomodate more teams, so they accomodated more teams.


Why are teams allowed to register until the last minute? Because more teams will enter, thus more profit.
Sort of. Because TEAMS WANT TO BE ABLE TO ENTER AT THE LAST MINUTE. If the promoters shouldn't set the entry deadline based on which deadline will make them the most money, how else should they set it? It's a business. What will make the most money is the *ONLY* way to make a decision. What brings in the most money is how you measure whether you're delivering a service of value to the customer. If customers, in this case, teams who want to register late, are willing to give the promoters more money for hte privilege of registering late, then *PSP IS RESPONDING TO CUSTOMER DEMAND* by allowing late registration. Forfieting profits is *NOT LISTENING TO THE CUSTOMER* (note: This is not the same as not listening to what some customers say on web boards, which PSP obviously does not and should not do some of the time.)

Most of the extra cash per player is not going towards reffing. It's going towards venue. A site like the first event and the last event cost a lot more money than a cow pasture or a 4h fairground.
I'd be willing to bed that on a per-team basis, location costs are about the same or less. When you cut the space you need by half, you cut the cost of that space by much more than half. Cost increases exponentially with size.

Conversely, if they're not putting more money towards reffing, the reffing won't be better.


I like the open book idea, and the non-profit angle, I like prize lists published far in advance of events. You notice prize lists aren't even listed after PSP events anymore.
The open-book is only a half-truth - with the separate promotions company, you won't know any more about how money is being spend than you did before, unless the promotions company is also going to be open books. All the open books thing covers is the sanctioning fees and membership dues paid to NPPL, event costs are not included.

As for prize lists, try and get the sponsors to tell you what the prizes are before the event and deliver them to you. Doesn't happen, and promoters can't afford to cut out the sponsors because if you have NO prizes then players will be REALLY pissed. It's a problem with the paintball industry at large.


As for moderation and all that - I apologize for the idiots comment, but other than that, I'm pretty sure I have made no insults (exception: SD ;)). I make a very concerted effort not to attack people because it doesn't do anything to advance the argument - but please also don't confuse a rigorous attack on an idea with an attack on a person.

Then again, have you ever had a moderator start a thread just to bash you?


- Chris
 

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Originally posted by raehl

As for moderation and all that - I apologize for the idiots comment, but other than that, I'm pretty sure I have made no insults (exception: SD ;)). I make a very concerted effort not to attack people because it doesn't do anything to advance the argument - but please also don't confuse a rigorous attack on an idea with an attack on a person.

Then again, have you ever had a moderator start a thread just to bash you?


- Chris
Chris,

It's not just the insulting. You seem to have this tone to your posts, which come across as "I am right, and I don't care what you say, because I am the son of god". Now, disagreeing with people is fine, hell, these boards thrive because of it, but you often use phrases like "you are wrong". Try to replace those things with things like "I don't agree", or "I think you are wrong". That way people may still not agree with you, but at least there will be less of the character bashing.

As for the thread you mention, they have been told to tone it down.
 
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raehl

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I don't think post tone is something that should be moderated. That said, I hear ya and I'll make an effort to tone it down. My posts have definitely been getting aggressive over the past week or two, and that shouldn't be the case. I blame it all on Robbo - yeah, that's it. Pete made me do it! ;)


But, uhm, you're still all wrong. (duck,flee)


- Chris

I'm not a bad guy, really. Usually. Sometimes. Every now and then.
 

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Wow.

Raehl - you truly are insane. I mean it. Bonkers. Nuts, Hatstand. Fruitloop. Crazy.

Actually, no, that's not fair...it's giving mentallists a bad name. You're a new thing that I shall presently invent a word for and then come back to you.

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Chris,
the tongue in cheek attitude you adopt when being criticised fools nobody; you have to actually change the way you write and construct your posts and not just talk about changing.
It's offensive, your whole tone oozes arrogance and you seem oblivious to subsequent well-meant advice.
People like TJ and Buddha are a lot more mature and reasoned than myself when dealing with problem posters and when they try to help, you ignore them at your peril - coz believe me, when they kick into gear, something is desperately wrong and you can't just write this off as some 'Robbo indulgence'.
Chris, ignore me, that's fine, but don't ignore them !
Robbo
 

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While I will leave this as well before I go postal, please Chris answer me this one question.

The World Cup had (according to Wadidiz) over $500,000 of entry fees, that is before other revenue streams such as traders/vendors/sponsorships.

You keep saying you are the only one here who knows how much these events cost to run.

So tell me where that >$500,000 went? give us a run down of exactly how much you think everything cost that was put on at this years "premier" paintball event.

Basically put your money where your mouth is.
 

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You guys want answers to things that you do not deserve answers to. But I am so tired of all the BS. Here you go.

The revenues generated from sponsors and vendors is relatively insignifiant as about 90% of it is returned to the teams in the form of prizes.

The actual net income from the World Cup was just over $521,000.

The closest I can come to the actual outlay of cash for the event is in about $306,000. The approximation is because of the fact that some bills are still "in the process" of being paid.

That results in a net profit of $215,000. Wouldn't that be a nice chunk of change to take home. If the World Cup were a stand alone event, that would be a great financial gain for PSP. But being that the series is what all financial considerations should be based upon, and realizing that up to the World Cup PSP was just over $14,000 ( LA made money, Vegas lost money, Chicago made a little, AC was a wash) in the black, it is easy to calculate the overall profit made from the year was a bit over $229,000. If we divide that by 5 events, we have and average profit of $45,800 per event. Divide that between the 8 owners and you see that they average making just over $5,700 per event. And that is assuming that they leave nothing in the company to begin the following season with.

Actually, I have no idea about any of the figures that I just wrote about. But, I had you guys going didn't I?

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