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NPPL bps Cap Revisited...

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Originally posted by Manning26
Let's start here:

1) I saw [Dan] Perez with the NXL-style, hand-held radar gun during an Infamous game (on your filed, Whale) as he hopped around streams of paint that were flying in on Lasoya, but without a bps cap- what's the point? To the real question: if the hand-held radar guns are on the field, then how can you cheat around that?

2) Why are we discussing uncapped FA if we know full well no one will be able to carry insurance?
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1--because you have modes that operate only within limited parameters--like on the break. Say, 2 or 3 of your 5 guns are doing between 18-20 bps instead of 15. It only happens for say, 5 seconds, but if it helps get an elimination off the break it was a big success. And, at present, I've yet to see a ref try to check markers off the break. That is one of the reasons the NXL is trying to get a directional mic to work that can adequately separate single markers out of a grouping. Even so, in general the rules are followed for the most part and the great majority of the time things are mostly level.
You also will occasionally see NXL guns using burst fire instead of F/A which is likely a violation of 3 pull rules, too, but most of the stuff pushing the limits is relatively minor. Not non-existent.

2--We aren't. TJ was 'cus he brought up the whole idea eons ago and still has a chance to be right in which case he will never let any of us forget it.
 
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Originally posted by Manning26
I suppose if there's no reason to cap the rof other than our comfort, I guess I'll have to go to join the 'uncapped everything' camp with Teej.

Andrew, you better stock up on body armor.
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I think you misunderstand, young 26. There plenty good reasons for a cap but the point I was trying to make is that the cap isn't foolproof nor the current technology a guarantee of universal compliance. It does, however, go a long way to assuring a fundamentally level playing field and the ways around it provide smaller margins of potential advantage than the other current systems.
 
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I am not complaining that the NPPL should have caught more cheats, because they simply don't have the ability to unless you count kiddies using debounce 1 and getting caught.

Unless a gun that goes over the robot is stripped down, it's software checked against a known legal version and the player frisked for magnets and the like (and all this wont solve everything) - there is simply no way the NPPL rule of uncapped semi can be enforced in it's current guise with current technology. Exactly as you say you saw Dynasty had a break out mode you can't prove it anymore than I could because hiding it is too easy.

What I am "complaining" about is that there is a pretence of a rule that is unenforceable and the NPPL appear to be sticking their head in the sand.

As for the pbstar comment - it was the parting shot of their full tournament report, not some forum comment.

http://www.paintballstar.com/pn/modules.php?op=modload&name=PagEd&file=index&topic_id=15&page_id=368

Shamu,

How many guns went over the robot from your field, how many were you sure were suspect, and how many got caught - I bet the figures aren't all the same.

And of those that were caught by the robot, were they dedicated programmed modes or were they low debounce/trigger set up issues?

As for the scrutineer: I do not know how any of the pro's "do it". I know how the advantage chip does it (as does anyone who visits their website for 10 secs) which is what I was reffering to before and it's a known cheat and banned allready - doesn't mean people didn't have them at Tampa

Plus, with any gun there is only so many options that the gun has.

In order to start a ramp mode there needs to be an input. That input could be anything: trigger, on/off switch, magnet, sound even.
In order to stop that mode (and hide it from a judge) there needs to be another variable. This can either be a time out, number of shots (like a break out mode), trigger pull combination, lack of a magnet, switch press - whatever.

Add all that up multiply the combination and you have a whole lot of variables that unless you know the whole "rub your tummy and pat your head" combination - you can't proove sh*t and neither can I - the options are just too great.

That is why there were gun problems and it'll only increase with the current rule.
 
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