NPPL bps Cap Revisited...

[Intheno]

interesting Manning. Its a little early to be able to tell that though.

I think the NXL has more POTENTIAL to catch cheats for sure. Whether they can get their technology in order to actually do this is another matter. The cap allows another area of checks. If they successfully police this new area then they will have more means to catch the bad guys. If they fail to successfully find a means to verify one guns signature within a field of ambient noise then they will be no closer than the NPPL, but they will still have a bunch of guns firing full-auto, and all the insurance implications of that.
So in short, they could end up in a right mess. I think the means of enforcing the cap should have been perfected before the FA + cap rule was implemented. I actually do hope they are able to police it, but I doubt that will happen successfully till the end of the year.

 

[Beaker]

increase

Originally posted by martin
one reason for the increase could be that the sofware to program gun cheats is in more hands than before. The reason more people have purchased this is to allow them to compet in psp millenium etc. so they have the power to gun cheat so they do.

I disagree that the suspect guns at Tampa are people using PSP mode etc,

All the stock PSP etc mode boards that people are using (Tadao, virtue etc) require a user to take some major changes to switch modes eg open the grip.

THis cannot be done mid game and every gun with them would very easily be caught by the robot.

If they are using non-standard boards then it's not about PSP modes etc, it's about hiding from a ref. You can get a custom chip made for $200 or a stock one that will give you PSP mode for $50 . You only choose the former if you want to cheat a ref, not if you just want to play 2 series.

 

[martin]

thats my piont

more people have had to buy boards so more can take either option. be it 50 dollars or 200 more are in the market than before

 

[Manning26]

Originally posted by Intheno
interesting Manning. Its a little early to be able to tell that though.

I think the NXL has more POTENTIAL to catch cheats for sure. Whether they can get their technology in order to actually do this is another matter. The cap allows another area of checks. If they successfully police this new area then they will have more means to catch the bad guys. If they fail to successfully find a means to verify one guns signature within a field of ambient noise then they will be no closer than the NPPL, but they will still have a bunch of guns firing full-auto, and all the insurance implications of that.
So in short, they could end up in a right mess. I think the means of enforcing the cap should have been perfected before the FA + cap rule was implemented. I actually do hope they are able to police it, but I doubt that will happen successfully till the end of the year.

Ah, thank you. I think that may help some people, myself included, see some of the smaller things that aren't always brought out to light.

How about we start here then- are the NPPL standing beside their rules because of insurance purposes? I would imagine that would be the first thing to shout were I in their position. It isn't as though the players wouldn't understand.

 

[Intheno]

I think you have grasped the inherent problem Manning.
Legality (paintball style) vs. Legality (actual style)

 

[shamu]

During the captains meeting in Tampa, Chuck mentioned he and Dave Z. were going to the ASTM conference soon to discuss standards for paintball.

What happens to this whole BPS discussion if the ASTM sets a BPS cap? Will PSP, NPPL and Millenium abide by it? Will the players abide by it?


26 - body armor? if they go to uncapped FA, I think my reffing days are over. That's a level of masochism I don't think I'm ready for

 

[Ben Frain]

Originally posted by Beaker
Does a Halo feed the same on gun as a drop test - no.

Could you have a hybrid board that sensed when the gun was firing add 20% extra speed - easy.

At what point do you define the gravity part? a Warp is a gravity fed load system.

I think that is over comlicating matters. You simply allow agitating loaders and nothing else.

The NPPL (NPPL just an example, could work for any league) just approves certain loaders for use in their tournaments and not others.

e.g. 12v Revolutions, Halo TSA loaders, Extreme Rage ones allowed

Evo II, Warp, Halo - not allowed.

Everybody has to use one of the approved loaders.

Before chrono test for speed each player has to open his loader lid to show the chrono judge it is a standard agitating type, once passed he/she throws in a pot of paint and chrono's three shots.

As long as the 3 shots pass the speed limit on the field he goes, he can have semi, burst full auto, whatever.

Anyone arguing that it wouldn't create a more level playing field than the present predicament is either deluded or splitting hairs about 0.1BPS difference in motor speeds etc

Now, I'm not saying that this is the way to go but to paraphrase Sherlock Homes 'when you can eliminate the impossible, what remains is the truth'.

 

[Beaker]

Ben - on what basis are you discounting the Evo 2? true it uses a catch cup to sort before agitiating them, (just like the apache), but neither applies pressure on the ball stack, it isn't force fed. Same goes for the warp (to a point).

You can't "just" limit it to gravity loaders any more than you can limit guns to just semi auto, Manike has already said that elsewhere. Plus see Manning comment regarding the old Dynasty revvys

Martin - I don't agree that because people have "had" to buy chips they have suddenly all chosen the hidden ones. The hidden chips are no more available than then ever were, just the easily identifiable ones - which shouldn't be any problem to the NPPL at all.

Shamu - can you answer my question on number of gun on the robot please as you would know more than anyone.

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

Beaker

Define it

Off the top of my head, I can't.... it will take some thinking about, to elliminate all the ifs and buts.

BUT... it's GOTTA be an easier way than all the other solutions that are being discussed..... people are talking about some fairly complex solutions... when simply relying on the force of gravity, would take care of a lot of the problems.

If the guiding principle was, that loader systems could not put the paintballs under pressure to increase load speed.... I think we would have something.

I'm SURE people will be able to pick that short statement apart with some examples.... and that's where the "thinking about" part comes in, to write a rule that considers all the possibilities

Nick

 

[Furby]

Just an off the wall thought here...with all this talk of boards and such, why not institute a lottery for the upper divisions in the NPPL...the winner gets to submit his gun and his backup(s) to the appropriate marker tech who then installs a fresh board that's been verified by Zinkam to be free of any annoying 'special' features? Slap some sort of identifying mark on the markers slated for use by that player, and if he uses an 'unsanctioned' marker on the field then it's penalty time, baby!

Why not more than one? Two, maybe three players at each tournament get themselves a free board?

Just a thought...ideally this would happen to all players, but that's prohibitively expensive...this way it's somewhat random, so it keeps the bad guys guessing.