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not mechanicel bounce test but ramping test

psycobtch

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ib1024, you just revealed a long kept secret there! The meaning they've always been telling people is... is... is... oh dear, being such a nice girl, I refuse to take those filthy words in my mouth!!!


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Maybe the real problem is Millenium needs to have ONE guy, and *ALL* rules related questions need to be refered to him. So, if someone asks you "Can my gun do (blah blah blah)", they repl with 'I don't know, ask The Guy In Charge Of That", instead of trying to answer that themselves.

Will save them a whole lot of hurt later. Especially when someone later says "But Official Who Is Not In Charge Of Rules told me the rule was...." because then you just say "And why would you believe what Official Who Is Not In Charge Of Rules told you?"
 

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and now other officials saying they will try and catch ramping markers.


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correct me if i am wrong Nick, but how can they pull a gun for ramping shots/adding shots (one and the same) without the means of a calibrated instument i.e. a Robot? because just the say so of a judge is not good enough, even if it is so obvious!

an example i can use to explain what i mean is thus: i used to ride large sports motorbikes, and one sunny day i can flying round a bend at about 150mph and in front of me was a nice policemen stood in the road having just heard me coming for about 10miles (illegal exhaust!) i immediately hit the brakes and stopped before i killed him. he told me he could not do me for the speeding which was blatently obvious (NO INSTRUMENT TO MEASURE MY SPEED!), but could for the exhaust becasue it was not BS Stamped.

surely the same is the case in the MS? or can any judge just quess that a marker is adding 2 shots in 10 or ramping from 9bps to 15bps?
 

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Gaff

correct me if i am wrong Nick, but how can they pull a gun for ramping shots/adding shots (one and the same) without the means of a calibrated instument i.e. a Robot?
How many times last year did you try that argument in connection with the bounce test - and how many times did you succeed? ;)

They can pull a gun if they want to - just because they THINK it is illegal.... no need of proof - we don't have a "paintball court" where paintball officials are held accountable for their action....

.... Now THERE'S a thought :D :D :D

Nick
 

gaff

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not once last year cos my gun never bounced once in a judges hand!

i just would not be happy having a random marshall "think" my gun added shots and pull me, with no actual proof!

at Campaign i had a rules official stood next to me whilst watching a gun ramping insanely, and the comments recieved when i said that gun should be pulled was......i cannot prove it without a robot! not the same as you've mentioned?
 

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Originally posted by gaff
......i cannot prove it without a robot!
The way we did it then and the way I would do it now...

We did catch some cheating guns just with our bare hands. Most of the time you can feel it if a mode kicks in hard. I could feel ramping velocity also in some cases, so we busted a lot of guns without a robot.

And, of course, a robot is only going to catch the dumb cheaters.

The problem at Campaign is that we didn't know how to keep the enhanced modes going or get them to kick in. We did, however, get them to cut their bouncing down.

How should we do it now?

Pretty soon all our pro refs will be able to hear the difference between 15 and 25 bps. I can hear when a gun is shooting at eye/feed rate compared to 15bps and I would bust the player.

If we were interested we could very quickly tell if a gun is in PSP mode or not, without a test instrument.

But...on-field measurement on calibrated instruments is definitely the way it must go.

We'll see in Bitburg.