not mechanicel bounce test but ramping test

[ChuckC]

sjt19, here's the test that you keep claiming doesn't exist..

‘Runaway Guns’ Test – All markers will be checked for “runaway” triggers. The marker will be fired rapidly. The testing judge, while rapidly firing the marker will suddenly cease to pull the trigger. Any marker that continues to fire after a delay of 100 ms while the trigger is NOT being pulled will be deemed to be a “Runaway Gun” and will not be allowed on the field.

John C will get caught if their "rapid" firing reaches 10bps. That's nice that you think a judge can audibly time 100ms with the help of no instrument...but you're wrong. So, they will rapidly shoot your marker, stop, and listen for any additional shots. When they hear it, you're busted. Then, you're only argument is, "but it doesn't ramp until 10bps", at which time they point out to you that NO RAMPING IS ALLOWED. So hopefully, for your team's sake, they don't decide to check your gun during or after a game.

And...

If you have to cheat to compete, at least be smart enough to do it quietly.

 

[Steve Morris]

Originally posted by ChuckC
So hopefully, for your team's sake, they don't decide to check your gun during or after a game.

He's making a list

and checking it twice

gonna find out

who's naughty or nice....

 

[Flash-Bugout]

Originally posted by ChuckC
So, they will rapidly shoot your marker, stop, and listen for any additional shots. When they hear it, you're busted. Then, you're only argument is, "but it doesn't ramp until 10bps",

There is another arguement left open by the rules, and that would be that it's a buffered shot. Prove that 16 shots were made by the marker and the judge only pulled the trigger 15 times. Without some decent electronic device (ooh, a robot, cos we all knwo they can't be cheated) there can be no definitive "that's a ramping gun/that's a buffered shot" distinction.

 

[ChuckC]

When you say "buffered"...are you referring to, say, a timmy with a WAS board set to "delayed" instead of "forced".

If so, that's an easy one to prove...all your shots are buffered. Show the judge that by only pulling and releasing once, it's buffered.

 

[Flash-Bugout]

MILLENNIUM SERIES
EUROPEAN PAINTBALL CIRCUIT 2005

11.01 Players may use a single .68 caliber semiautomatic paintball marker, which consists of a single barrel and a single trigger system. Double-action triggers are prohibited. Markers will be capped at 15 balls per second, defined as no two consecutive shot maybe timed shorter than 65ms apart, provided they shoot in semiautomatic or pump mode only defined as no more than one paintball is discharged for each trigger cycle. Shots to be stored up to 100ms after trigger pull and cancelled on the next trigger activation to allow guns to shoot at 15bps. Once the trigger is released only a single shot may be discharged thereafter.

- “Runaway Guns” Test - All markers will be checked for “runaway” triggers. The marker will be fired rapidly. The testing judge, while rapidly firing the marker will suddenly cease to pull the trigger. Any marker that continues to fire after a delay of 100 ms while the trigger is NOT being pulled will be deemed to be a “Runaway Gun” and will not be allowed on the field.

Buffered - the trigger was pulled during the previous firing cycle, the marker stores that trigger pull and releases the shot once the current firing sequence has finished, but no more than 100ms after the stored trigger pull, and no less than 65ms after the previous ball left the barrel.

By the way the "runaway trigger" test is worded, the judge will walk the trigger, therefore it will be just abou timpossible to count the number of shots the gun fires compared to the number of trigger pulls.

Alternatively, it will be very easy for a judge to check the gun of a team they don't like, and say I felt three shot come out after that last trigger pull, when actually they were walking the trigger and made the correct number of trigger pulls.

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

Sam, Sam, Sam

It is not cheating Nick, if it is allowed. If everyone is doing it, including the teams of the guys on the board/commitees then whats the big deal?

Point is it is NOT allowed - hence the "one pull one shot" rule

That it is not being tested for, is not the same as it being allowed.

That would be like saying you could LEGALLY drive 120 MPH, as long as you don't get caught... and what you just did is equivalent to doing that, only then to walk into the police station and confessing to speeding

I predict Shockwave will undergo the most severe gun scrutiny of any in Germany - right Steve ?

 

[sjt19]

Whatever, every team will have exactly the same stuff on their guns. Difference is that it is no longer viewed with the same stigma as it was last year.

I would like to see any judge check fro ramp under the current rules.

If people listened to people that had daily access/conta\ct to the people in the know/on the board, then none of these threads would have to have been cluttered up with people who ask the same questions as each other, and get the same answers....which they then ignore.

Jojotaz you talk to Andy, you know exactly whats going on. Why bother to post on here?

 

[John C]

Sam, Sam, Sam

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff


That would be like saying you could LEGALLY drive 120 MPH, as long as you don't get caught... and what you just did is equivalent to doing that, only then to walk into the police station and confessing to speeding

Isnt what we are doing more like living somewhere where there are no speed cameras and no traffic cops, and then going into a police station and telling them "I am going to speed, because you arent enforcing it".

 

[Steve Morris]

Originally posted by sjt19
If people listened to people that had daily access/conta\ct to the people in the know/on the board, then none of these threads would have to have been cluttered up with people who ask the same questions as each other, and get the same answers....which they then ignore.

So in other words, Sam, you ARE the unofficial spokesperson for MS and peepz here are ignorant for not recognizing that?

Can't help but understand the healthy scepticism since you're a member of one of the competing teams. As I half in jest said before, maybe you're setting up all your opponents?

 

[sjt19]

Originally posted by Steve Morris
So in other words, Sam, you ARE the unofficial spokesperson for MS and peepz here are ignorant for not recognizing that?

Can't help but understand the healthy scepticism since you're a member of one of the competing teams. As I half in jest said before, maybe you're setting up all your opponents?

No i am not any kind of spokesman/person for the MS, you of all people know that. You know i am not, why would you even bother saying something like that?

I meant that people like Piper etc.. who talk to the likes of Scutty regularly have been saying things people should listen to.

With all that has been said, if the MS were to ban ramping and enforce it do you all not think that one of the MS board would have been on here LIKE LAST YEAR and publically said ramping was illegal?!?!?!?You have to ask yourselves why that has not happened.