not mechanicel bounce test but ramping test
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Because you wrote this:
That to me implies that you are "in the know" either directly or indirectly and that people should believe what you say the gun policy is going to be. Many people also know that you have or do work with some of the MS board members.
Sorry, I can't find what Piper said about MS gun policy and no matter, he isn't the spokesperson either.
The policy being discussed here wasn't even being considered LAST YEAR until well after Malaga Beach. The current policy was publicized in February and it states 15bps and NO RAMPING meaning ramping velocity AND ramping ROF.
I am definitely not a spokesperson for MS but the fact is there are still some matters around this that are, as of this moment, unresolved. Therefore I think it highly inappropriate to try to brow-beat the readers into thinking the semiauto rule won't be enforced when in fact IT MIGHT BE. At best it is misguided with good intentions. At worst it is a mercenary attempt to sell some gun boards that fit a certain policy that is yet undeclared. I hope the latter isn't the case.
Let me just say that IF semiauto is in the rules and we on the reffing staff are told to enforce those rules then all it will take is about 8 or 10 trigger pulls and any gun with a PSP board will be nicked with serious penalties as a result.
Nothing personal, mind you, but let's don't clarify that which can't be clarified yet.
I would hope that you knew me better than that Steve!
The above is MOST CERTAINLY NOT THE CASE
It was an attempt to try to clarify things for people, as i do have contact with the people who decide things like the ramping issue. I am not a spokesman, nor have I ever been. There will be no official confirmation beyond the ambiguous nature of the rules form any of the MS board. I was trying to help. I wont anymore.
To those who set there guns up in semi with no ramping have fun trying to shoot really fast in true semi with the trigger set so stiff so as to get through the mechanical bounce test.
I personally believe you're a stand-up guy, Sam, but I had to give you a chance to set the record straight because your posts could be interpreted that way and some people have interpreted them that way.Originally posted by sjt19
I would hope that you knew me better than that Steve!
The above is MOST CERTAINLY NOT THE CASE
Then you wanted to clarify things and that is understandable. But my other points still stand: semiauto may yet be enforced and I believe (although I don't know for sure) that the matter is still open and could get further clarification soon.
Fair enough. Maybe things will change, maybe they wont. I guess we will have to wait and see. A U turn would not be unprecedented. But if a 15bps cap was put into place, and there areno robots to test guns for things like ramping and overshooting the cap, then we would have the same situation that we had last season in the MS, which was far from ideal. As you well know.
See you in Germany Stevey boy
But if a 15bps cap was put into place, and there areno robots to test guns for things like ramping and overshooting the cap, then we would have the same situation that we had last season in the MS, which was far from ideal. As you well know.See you in Germany Stevey boy
Also might depend on what you mean by "enforced". There's enforced as in, the rules say you can't do it, and enforced as in the practice by the officials is to actually, and usually, issue penalties for running afoul of the rules.
It's quite possiblethe rule remains semi-auto only but nobody really tries very hard to enforce it because everyone "understands" that it won't be enforced.
Please the government and the customers at the same time.
It's quite possiblethe rule remains semi-auto only but nobody really tries very hard to enforce it because everyone "understands" that it won't be enforced.
Please the government and the customers at the same time.
When I started out finding out about tourney ball early in 2003 my aspiration was to play the millenniums. Now I’m disappointed with everything I have heard and seen, especially the organisation.
They still have the best level of competition in Europe, but with the exception of the top teams, you can still find opponents that will still push and develop your game elsewhere, without having to pay through the nose for a disorganised farce.
I expect a lot of people put a lot of work in to it and face many difficulties, so if I’ve offended any body involved - suck it up. I respect you for trying, and hope you succeed, but I’m not going to pretend that I’m not sorely disillusioned with the results of your efforts.
It may be that the things I consider important are not the same as those who still play and organise the millenniums, so hopefully they get out of it what they want.
There has been talk of improvement and taking things forward, so best of luck, I honestly hope things get better.
They still have the best level of competition in Europe, but with the exception of the top teams, you can still find opponents that will still push and develop your game elsewhere, without having to pay through the nose for a disorganised farce.
I expect a lot of people put a lot of work in to it and face many difficulties, so if I’ve offended any body involved - suck it up. I respect you for trying, and hope you succeed, but I’m not going to pretend that I’m not sorely disillusioned with the results of your efforts.
It may be that the things I consider important are not the same as those who still play and organise the millenniums, so hopefully they get out of it what they want.
There has been talk of improvement and taking things forward, so best of luck, I honestly hope things get better.
Joern Windler
During an email correspondance with the head of the MS Rules Committee yesterday, he made the following comment:
During an email correspondance with the head of the MS Rules Committee yesterday, he made the following comment:
Ulrich and his marshalls (will - Ed.) try to catch ramping markers.
And ramping markers (like PSP/NXL) are easy to catch.QUOTE]
- For those that don't know, "Ulrich" is Ulrich Stähr, who is head of the referee programme this year.
Now..... I for one am totally confused now... we have some officials (no - I don't mean Sam - I mean REAL officials
I WISH we didn't have all this confusion such a short time ahead of an event.... and I HOPE the MS is making sure all its officials at the event are in line with the true policy of the series (which I agree with Sam is to turn a blind eye to ramping).
What we do NOT want at the Maxs Masters, is numerous players banned for something they were told was ok.... and all kinds of emails and other documents surfacing, where various people in charge of the series has said ramping is ok.....
I honestly hope Scutty will focus his efforts the next few days in making sure there are no misunderstandings between what the MS WANTS - and what the refs DO
Nick
