not again, again
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See, you've got me doing it now. Somone please delete my off- topic post.
I don't eat them.Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
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Rancid: Gloves used specifically for eating prunes ????
See, you've got me doing it now. Somone please delete my off- topic post.
Steve
20 refs(?)
Hourly pay: €/$ 7,200 (last day only 8 hrs)
Airline tickets: €/$ 9,000
Hotel: €/$ 3,800
Food/drink: €/$ 1,800 (100 bucks a day for food is too much)
Local transportation: €/$ 1,000
Total: 22,800
Per team, if 100 teams: 228 EURO/DOLLARS
Rest of refs get marshalling points as usual
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What if there where just 2-3 paid refs per field, who are in charge and who are responsible for running things on their field:
20 refs(?)
Hourly pay: €/$ 7,200 (last day only 8 hrs)
Airline tickets: €/$ 9,000
Hotel: €/$ 3,800
Food/drink: €/$ 1,800 (100 bucks a day for food is too much)
Local transportation: €/$ 1,000
Total: 22,800
Per team, if 100 teams: 228 EURO/DOLLARS
Rest of refs get marshalling points as usual
?
rancid
I've not finished the budget estimates, but I can say that such a thing would have to consist of a minimum of two phases.
Phase 1 - a crew of impeccable, highly trained and (eventually) respected individuals who are carted around from event to event. numbers would be adequate to cover an entire major event, with several 'resting' crews in addition.
Phase 2 - slowly and steadily add individuals to the corps so that within a reasonable period of time, events can draw most, if not all, of their refs from their local area.
It would have to be 'profitable' in the sense of needing to bill enough to cover expenses and some kind of a per diem, with enough left over to do the things that any 'business' needs to have done - training, mailings, support, communications, etc.
If you want a model for how I think it ought to work - go take a look at NASO. If you want a model for a 'profitable' reffing organization - go take a look at NASO.
Rancid - if you're heading down the road towards discussing how much money certain individuals are going to make off of such a thing, can it now. We're at step minus 1 - finding out if there's enough political will on the part of the teams and players to even bother continuing the effort.
I agree that its all been discussed before and that there are inherent roadblocks - but that doesn't mean that it isn't worth trying again. Maybe it will work this time.
It costs nothing to try - so let's try.
I've not finished the budget estimates, but I can say that such a thing would have to consist of a minimum of two phases.
Phase 1 - a crew of impeccable, highly trained and (eventually) respected individuals who are carted around from event to event. numbers would be adequate to cover an entire major event, with several 'resting' crews in addition.
Phase 2 - slowly and steadily add individuals to the corps so that within a reasonable period of time, events can draw most, if not all, of their refs from their local area.
It would have to be 'profitable' in the sense of needing to bill enough to cover expenses and some kind of a per diem, with enough left over to do the things that any 'business' needs to have done - training, mailings, support, communications, etc.
If you want a model for how I think it ought to work - go take a look at NASO. If you want a model for a 'profitable' reffing organization - go take a look at NASO.
Rancid - if you're heading down the road towards discussing how much money certain individuals are going to make off of such a thing, can it now. We're at step minus 1 - finding out if there's enough political will on the part of the teams and players to even bother continuing the effort.
I agree that its all been discussed before and that there are inherent roadblocks - but that doesn't mean that it isn't worth trying again. Maybe it will work this time.
It costs nothing to try - so let's try.
D
duffistuta
Guest
Nah, he was talking about getting out of publishing and into a profitable industry - and one in which he gets to wear nice stripey tops too.
Steve - check out the query on the sticky re: 'national'...
Steve - check out the query on the sticky re: 'national'...
Details
You guys are going off on details.
Nick, you're right - its going to be expensive - in the short term. Long term, less so.
The best rates I have paid to game officials is 90 to 150 per day (depending on reffing position), plus lodging, plus one meal per day, plus insurance.
Most every other sport pays a 'game fee' to each referee, plus a travel stipend. It also limits the number of games an official can oversee in one day (and 14 hours goes way beyond the recommended limit).
I would hope that, if this thing gets going, the referees would accept having their expenses covered plus a small per diem.
Having a smaller crew of trained individuals, augmented by local talent (maybe 'refs-in-training) would be another way to go, albeit a slower, more problematic route.
Please, let's drop the detailed discussion in favor of getting the petition going. I'd much rather hear 'well, hell, it probably won't do any good, but I've signed the damn thing anyways...' right now.
You guys are going off on details.
Nick, you're right - its going to be expensive - in the short term. Long term, less so.
The best rates I have paid to game officials is 90 to 150 per day (depending on reffing position), plus lodging, plus one meal per day, plus insurance.
Most every other sport pays a 'game fee' to each referee, plus a travel stipend. It also limits the number of games an official can oversee in one day (and 14 hours goes way beyond the recommended limit).
I would hope that, if this thing gets going, the referees would accept having their expenses covered plus a small per diem.
Having a smaller crew of trained individuals, augmented by local talent (maybe 'refs-in-training) would be another way to go, albeit a slower, more problematic route.
Please, let's drop the detailed discussion in favor of getting the petition going. I'd much rather hear 'well, hell, it probably won't do any good, but I've signed the damn thing anyways...' right now.
rancid
I am still not sure whether a petition would work, or be powerful enough to affect change... my expectation would be that few would sign it, and even less would send it back.... but we could try. We have a E-newsletter mailing of 15,000+ the majority of which are in the US. That would be a quick way of courting opinion? Perhaps? Mr Duffy, I don't know if you have a view on this?
I still think effort would be better spent at 'board level' if you like... with promoters and major companies, but forgive me Steve if I am not clued up on your activities over the years in these areas. I'm slowing and crippled by short-term memory loss.
No I wasn't suggesting that, I just wondered if you'd come back with a 'do it for the love of the sport' answer.... and we all know what kind of people say that.
I am still not sure whether a petition would work, or be powerful enough to affect change... my expectation would be that few would sign it, and even less would send it back.... but we could try. We have a E-newsletter mailing of 15,000+ the majority of which are in the US. That would be a quick way of courting opinion? Perhaps? Mr Duffy, I don't know if you have a view on this?
I still think effort would be better spent at 'board level' if you like... with promoters and major companies, but forgive me Steve if I am not clued up on your activities over the years in these areas. I'm slowing and crippled by short-term memory loss.
D
duffistuta
Guest
Steve, is there a signing-on webspace somewhere, cos if so we can do the 15k mailout asap, or do you anticipate different websites doing their own and then you collating them all?
rancid,
as you yourself said, you've seen this all before and it didn't work then.
I think that one of the reasons it didn't is that it did start at the 'board' level and got watered down and sidetracked as a result.
I'm trying to do one thing here: get the teams and players to voice their desire. If there is no real desire, then we'll have to sit and wait for the 'board level' to get around to doing it - and they won't until it is in their economic interests to do so.
as you yourself said, you've seen this all before and it didn't work then.
I think that one of the reasons it didn't is that it did start at the 'board' level and got watered down and sidetracked as a result.
I'm trying to do one thing here: get the teams and players to voice their desire. If there is no real desire, then we'll have to sit and wait for the 'board level' to get around to doing it - and they won't until it is in their economic interests to do so.
duffi,
THANKS!
Folks, the petition is up in its own thread.
I've added the subscription url for the umbrella org - go sign up there too.
I want as many copies of this thing circulating as possible. Anyone who runs it can email, mail or fax copies to me and I'll collate them.
THANKS!
Folks, the petition is up in its own thread.
I've added the subscription url for the umbrella org - go sign up there too.
I want as many copies of this thing circulating as possible. Anyone who runs it can email, mail or fax copies to me and I'll collate them.