Millennium Series : Prizes for Novice teams please

[manike]

Manike

Originally posted by Mark T, Rushers
But as in Toulouse - you could have shed loads of 'Pros' suddenly attend and a team at the lower end of Div 1 could be in Div 3 next time round?? And so on

Would this matter?

Probably not - but would it be liked? Probably not.

C'est la vie. The great thing in my mind is that this will work with any number of teams that turn up, and it will work fairly with them.

If a 'pro' teams turns up but isn't good enough to be in the top 20 or top 40, then they bloody well should be in Div 3 harsh but fair? It puts them into their fair place and makes them want to work to be at the top, just as it should be.

I agree it may not be liked at first because of the stigma attched to the 'Pro' label. That's one of the things we need to get rid of.

Changes will need to be made if we want to make our sport sound more like one and move forwards and some will always resist change, but if we come out of it with a fairer and more marketable set up, then the greater good prevails!

manike

 

[goose]

Actually one question to Manike & others

In your new tournament set-up would teams only play teams in their own division?

goose

 

[markh]

How do we get the millennium organisers to listen to these ideas ?

 

[Mark Toye-Nexus]

Goose

The current method should be employed which seems very fair and is generally liked

mark

 

[manike]

Originally posted by goose
Actually one question to Manike & others

In your new tournament set-up would teams only play teams in their own division?

goose

A very good question.

Since the divisions would be self seading it would be fairer for them to play just teams in their division, and due to the different teams attending each events and the subsequent changes in who you would be playing it ought to result in teams playing others with both better and worse ability at each event. So yes it would work if they just played teams in their division.

But I also like the current intermixing of teams and I expect we could still have that to an extent, where teams from one division play a few from the div above, a few from the div below and most from their own div.

I'm not sure it will matter so much anymore. I think such a new system would automatically bring teams to play other off all abilities around them, allowing them to learn and progress fairly.

manike

 

[TJ Lambini]

They are reading this, no doubt...

But the way to get it on is simple:

1st - Hammer the system out so it works - which is what appears to be happening here

2nd - Get it on paper, get all/as many as possible of the teams which play the Mill to sign a petition saying they want these changes, present it to tha organisers.

3rd - Get PGI to back it

Think we can manage that, don't you?

 

[goose]

it's not so much "how do we get them to listen" it's more like how de we get them to pull their fingers outta their ears and butts and actually advance the way things are done.

The MS pioneered satdium tournaments - then what did they do - adopt the NPPL rule book. Makes sense to me, find a weaker product and use that.

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Manike - I like it. I also think that one of the problems with the current system is the fact that lower ranked teams do play higher ranked teams. The lower ranked ones usually have nothing to lose and try some crazy sh!t. 90% of time it doesn't work but the other 10% they get lucky, they wouldn't play against teams in the same division like that.

This seeding method would kill some of that - if a team plays well enough and beats higher ranked teams then they should move up. Maybe a system could be figured out where teams get point for individual wins in tournament games based on the teams they play. If they beat a higher ranked team they get bonus points. This way next tournament they will be moved up a division.

goose

 

[manike]

Goose

Originally posted by Mark T, Rushers
The current method should be employed which seems very fair and is generally liked

mark

It's all good. Either way it works and I don't think it's the most important thing.

MarkH, we post it up and they read it (they do read this stuff) and then we also talk to them about it. I'll be sure to have a chat with them in Toulouse (and will maybe finally say hello to Goose )

so do we think 20 teams per self seading division is a good thing? or more or less? Should we keep going to as many divisions as possible with the number of entrants that paryicipate? or just stick to 3 divisions to start with? (I'm inclined to think as many divs as required).

manike

 

[TJ Lambini]

Hmm, I kinda like 20, 20, everyone else...cos that way you know there are three divisions every time you play a Millennium so you can tell your buds 'Yeah, I'm playing Div 2 this season but we could get promoted if we make tha semis at Bittburg' or whatever, rather than 'I was Div 7 at Campaign, 3 at Portugal and 5 at germany.'

As for 'who plays who' - personally, I think prelims should still be a mix as it helps teams' learning curves. And remember tha thrill of excitement at your first big event when you were drawn against The Ironmen or whoever? That's what made the event for you more than anyone else...everyone remember the first 'Pro' they shot out and it's great that a newbie can do his first Millennium and give Robo a bonus ball or two...

peace

 

[goose]

Maybe the number in each division could be a "sliding" number based on the number of teams entering. So instead of 20 teams it would be 20% etc.

The only thing that should be looked at is something that was brought up in another thread. What about having more teams involved in the final rounds - should we now be looking at how to run a 16 team 1/4 final, a 8 team semi, then a 4 team final??

goose

P.S. Simon - I'll buy the beer (the first round at least, the rest is on you )