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Millennium Series : Prizes for Novice teams please

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Gotta say I'm heartened to see everyone participating is taking such and egalitarian view--it's bloody well about time. However, and it's a big however, the sticking point is those who may be reading but not getting involved.
Name changes--an idea that's time has come.
Nobody (that I noticed anyway) mentioned entry fees in relation to new structuring ideas and I'm harping on it as I think it is a critically necessary ingredient--they need to be the same across the board.
There have been a whole host of good ideas offered up and, conceptually, I'm generally in agreement but there are also a number of practical and economic issues that have to been addressed with a reasonable compromise hopefully available somewhere in the mix.
Problem--radical changes vs. the status quo. I think it can be fairly said that you'll need a Series year to sort out the current arrangement of teams and a highly flexible seeding arrangement is probably the most efficient way to include everyone, but--I'm afraid it wouldn't be accepted by a significant number of teams for a variety of reasons and a whole season of such play must terrify the organizers. So, that's probably not in the cards. However, it might be possible to start the new season with a "seeding" event using the results of the prior season as a baseline and predicating divisions on a percentile basis, say, 15%, 25%, 30% and 30% (I personally like four divisions rather than 3 with a huge third simply because it provides more attainable goals for more teams.) The results of this seeding event then become the basic division assignments for the rest of the Series year with promotions and relegations at year's end. This maintains a "feel" of the routine and puts less pressure on a team for a given event's performance and more on a consistent level of play.
It would also be necessary to "educate" the competing teams in the process well in advance so they know there will be renamed divisions, best make plans to be sure and attend the seeding event, end of year promo/relegation, etc. So even if a decision were made tomorrow to go ahead with something like has been discussed it can't happen the day after--which means the sooner it gets started the better.
Problem--vertical play. playing against teams in either higher or lower divisions is currently a hallmark of the Series and the NPPL but I have concerns that it would tend to skew results for the simple reason that given this new order the competition will be that much keener generally and whereas a win or a loss now for Nov playing a Pro probably won't make or break their event it could very easily do so, in either direction, in the future.
Problem--what about teams only competing in a select few of the Series events? I'm not saying they can't be incorporated in the appropriate division, I am saying they will have a harder time being promoted and will that be viewed as a reason not to attend in the first place? Certainly this is a question the organizers would jump on as they will any significant changes because they're gonna say, rightly or wrongly, things work pretty well and we have lots of generally happy teams and we're not in the business of driving customers away. Personally, I'm inclined to think that the vast majority of teams that compete at the Series level do so to test their mettle and prove themselves and the only way to really get a fair measure is with changes like those proposed.
 
"Personally, I'm inclined to think that the vast majority of teams that compete at the Series level do so to test their mettle and prove themselves and the only way to really get a fair measure is with changes like those proposed."

With you 100%, tho that sadly neglects to take into account ego, which when combined with limited attendance causes problems...I.E. I'm captain of a top Am team which can only compete in two events, and I'm damned if I'm gonna end up in Division Four because of it so screw tha series...

However, events can only handle a finite number of teams and given the current growth, you gotta hope that when Captain UpHisAss throws his rattle outta tha pram, the organisers can say 'Bye'...

It takes time, balls and support, but if anyone can do it it's tha Millennium board. After all, this guys pride themselvse on being progressive, so let's see the quantum leap guys...
 
I think that maybe the solution could be - you are seeded based on the average of all your tournaments.

This way teams who attend 1 or 2 tournaments don't get "punished" because they lack the proper number of points. This also would maybe make things more fair because 1 bad tourny would not result in a huge division drop - if any. It plays more to the consistancy idea that everyone seems to agree on.

goose
 

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Originally posted by goose
I think that maybe the solution could be - you are seeded based on the average of all your tournaments.

This way teams who attend 1 or 2 tournaments don't get "punished" because they lack the proper number of points. This also would maybe make things more fair because 1 bad tourny would not result in a huge division drop - if any. It plays more to the consistancy idea that everyone seems to agree on.

goose
Errrmmm.... Isn't that what I have been saying all along? :D

and as Goose points out it solves the problem of people only attending a few events.

For a new team starting an event who wants to cut in then they would need to be assesed and placed by the Millennium board based on their past merits.

This also means a team playing only a few event won't have a hard time being promoted, they will fit into what ever division the average of their placings means they should be in for which ever events they attend.

Like a Raver in a filing cabinet... Sorted!

manike
 

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hhmmm good pont...

What usually happens is that you must do a set number of events to qualify for the end of the year and if you do more than that number then the top results are the ones that count.

If a team with less events has the same points as one with more events then obviously the one with more events places higher.

how's that TJ?

manike