Millennium Series : Prizes for Novice teams please

[manike]

TJ

Originally posted by Mark T, Rushers
The 20 team divisions are too rigid

We can see already that not every team turns up to every event.

So the numbers in the divisions should be flexible

So many variables to make this work!!!

Thinking cap is on

Mark

I disagree, I think rigid numbers would work... with the self seading system I'm talking about.

In fact it would be perfect when teams don't always attend because others then get a chance for just one event maybe to step up and play against other tougher teams. A fantastic learning opportunity to see if they can strut their stuff.

Although if you had a fixed league without the self seading I think you are right and it wouldn't work.

manike

 

[markh]

Manike, I also had this idea yesterday. Teams find their own level by competition, natural selection. I spoke to a non paintball person and he pointed out how do you carry points gained across divisions ?

eg, my team enters Division 3 and we win, next event we float up to Division 2, but you would have to weight the points gained in the lower division downwards as a win in Div 3 is not worthy of the same points as a win in div 2. In this way a team can still have an overall score at the end of the series which would go across all divisions.

As for Nov. prizes, how about giving a team free entry to a number of Millennium events as a prize. This way no bias can be shown towards a particular sponsor, its a useful prize to the team, it rewards the winning team and will not embarrass any current sponsors of the team by giving them another manufactures competing product(s).


Replace Nov,Am,Pro titles with a numerical division numbering system (which I suggested a while back in this thread but nobody commented 8-( ). It destroys any argument over what is Nov, Pro etc. and is immediately familiar for non players to understand.

 

[manike]

A seperate post to make a Big Point that I hope the Millennium series look at very seriously.

Do we all agree that the current division names are rubbish and need to go in favour of Division 1, 2, 3 etc.? (even if it's just a re-naming of the divisions we have now)

The current names are misleading and misrepresentative.

I don't think they do us any favours within the sport or with the media outside of the sport.

If you say 'pro' to a non baller, they say 'wow you get paid?' and if you say 'novice' they say 'have you just started playing?'

If we say Division 1 an outsider can relate to that, just like they can to Div 3 etc.

It's a more 'proffessional' and representative way of showing the levels in our sport.

manike

(all those in favour say 'aye' )

 

[TJ Lambini]

Interesting...

OK, Div 1,2,3

Div 1 - 20 teams
Div 2 - 20 teams
Div 3 - The rest


Event one seeded based on last season's results. Winners of Div.1 score 100 points, down to last place which scores 81, Div two scores 88 through 69, div 3 scores 67 down.

That way, in event one, if Avalanche, Dynasty, Joy and GZ have nightmares they get relegated and replaced by Trauma, Rushers, K2 and Scalp, but next time those four teams take top four places at Div 2 so go back up. Meanhile, three of the promoted teams finish bottom three and get relgated, but one kicks ass and stays there - making the step up by ability. So another Div.1 team drops down, and so on...would that work?

I think tha scoring differential needs fiddling with.

But that way you only have one ultimate champion, but you should get a good mix at indicidual events...


Hmmm.


No, on reflection I think divisions need to remain static season to season...

 

[markh]

aye.

 

[Mark Toye-Nexus]

Manike

fair enough

But as in Toulouse - you could have shed loads of 'Pros' suddenly attend and a team at the lower end of Div 1 could be in Div 3 next time round?? And so on

Would this matter?

Probably not - but would it be liked? Probably not.

When the govt introduced leap years one day was removed from the calendar one year and there were riots because everyone thought that they'd lost a day in their life!!

Would the average paintballer understand what is an apparent demotion because some teams just do the odd event?

Mark

 

[TJ Lambini]

Aye

but if they wanna jazz it up and have Premier Division instead of Div. 1 thass cool...

Mark, I think I posted pretty much what you just posted at tha same time BTW...

 

[manike]

Originally posted by markh
Manike, I also had this idea yesterday. Teams find their own level by competition, natural selection. I spoke to a non paintball person and he pointed out how do you carry points gained across divisions ?

eg, my team enters Division 3 and we win, next event we float up to Division 2, but you would have to weight the points gained in the lower division downwards as a win in Div 3 is not worthy of the same points as a win in div 2. In this way a team can still have an overall score at the end of the series which would go across all divisions.

Very simply, you do not get seading points for where you came in a division, but where you came in the over all scheme of things out of all divisions. So points earnt in Div 3 are valid for when you make it into Div 2 etc.

This will work because you won't be playing in Div3 against players that should have been in Div 2 because it's the self seading process. Likewise players at the bottom of Div 2 Will be better than players at the top of Div 3.

This format works very well and is proven in the realms of competition sailing where the numbers of entrants at each event vary drastically.

You normally reverse the point scale so 1 point (actually 0.75 as an icentive and benefit to teams that actually win) goes to the top place in the whole event and then work the points down. (we would need a slight correction factor depending on overall number of teams entered into an event but that's easy).

manike

 

[Mark Toye-Nexus]

AYE

Premier or Division 1

it matters not - better than pro, am, novice, young gun, rookie whatever

Time to get outta the old school style

Lets get the sport sounding like one

mark

 

[goose]

Manike - AYE - AYE - AYE - AYE - AYE - AYE - AYE - AYE

TJ - probably the best idea yet. Also like the fact that there is only 1 winner not 3

goose

P.S. Stop bitching about the U.K. scene at least you guys can find someone else to play against. Here in DK the scene has more or less disappeared. Only the Ducklings and the Wikings left - god I wish the "problems" ya'll have in the U.K.