Millennium Series : Prizes for Novice teams please

[Liz]

Back to Novice prizes.......

Pulling this thread back to where it started (prizes for Novice teams), some of you might want to take a look at this http://www.p8ntballer-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7827 thread in Announcements etc regarding the Campaign Cup. It refers among other things to prizes for the Novice division. OK. they might not be cash but they ARE prizes to be supplied by the Millennium sponsors. I don'tr know about anyone else but as a player in a novice team with only a little assistance from the industry even something like a set of knee pads all round or some hoppers for free can make a difference. And if the supplied goodies can't be used due to sponsorship obligations they can always be sold to raise a little bit more cash for the next tourney - even if you don't get new prices for them they could still cover a big chunk of the paint bill. I also remember Smart Parts being asked for bits & pieces for Novice prizes at other Millennium events so this isn't a first.

 

[TJ Lambini]

Div. 1, 2,3, it's easy as A,B, C...

Exactly, with promotion and relegation.

The categories are soooo wrong and sooooo misleading it's unbelivable...with just Divisions in tha Millennium then you remove the problem of Rushers, say, being Pro one tournament, Am the next...they are simply currently in Div. 2 and trying to get promoted to Div. 1 - problem solved, everybody's happy.

As for Trauma, fair point...though they dicked out sooooooooo badly at Amsterdam and came 9th outta nine at Chicago 5-Man yesterday, you gotta wonder bout where their collective head is at right now...

peace

 

[Mark Toye-Nexus]

TJ

Now you have my absolute backing for that one my freind

Thats a sporting system

Mark

 

[TJ Lambini]

So let's use people power

Most people seem to be in agreement, and it's YOUR series...talk to tha organisers. Remember, customer power is all - make it happen guys, it makes sooooo much sense.

As you say, that way, Trauma can come over here and get put in Div. 1 without losing their Am status in tha States...and anyway, Pro/Am/Nov etc. has gotta go in tha US too. Everyone knows it makes sense - tha campaign starts here. Niall? Jerry/ I know you're looking...

peace

 

[cjohns]

The problem is, the competition level in the U.K. is nowhere near that of the U.S. right now. You have some U.S. Novice teams that could wax a U.K. Pro team. But, there is a good thing happening in the U.K. for paintball, and that is that there are a lot more tournaments than what used to be and the talent pool is getting better. Maybe in the future, there will be better competition coming out of the U.K. In some cases, there already is.

 

[manike]

Div. 1, 2,3, it's easy as A,B, C...

Originally posted by TJ Lambini
The categories are soooo wrong and sooooo misleading it's unbelivable...with just Divisions in tha Millennium then you remove the problem of Rushers, say, being Pro one tournament, Am the next...they are simply currently in Div. 2 and trying to get promoted to Div. 1 - problem solved, everybody's happy.

Wow 100% agreement

Now how about this for an idea, I'm just throwing it out and haven't thought it through too much (I'll let you guys do that and thus have an opportunity to smack me down)...

But how about we do have a form of self seading at the Millennium series? I've been thinking this is the right way to go since this thread started.

How about the seading for teams playing in the series automatically comes from how they did in the previous Millennium events? Any new teams get assessed and placed as fairly as possible (including bumping other teams down a division if required).

This way teams may be playing in different divisions in each event but who cares if they are just and fair divisions? and I think pretty damn soon we would reach an equilibrium where everyone is playing at a fair level. We could even add a weighting factor in from previous Millennium events attended to make sure that if a team bombs out (or flukes high) in one event that they don't move to far? It would be easy to do with a little maths (say your position comes from your average score so far from events attended in that years millennium series (starting from scratch with each new year?)

I expect there are lots of holes in this idea but this way it stops teams classifying themselves and brings an even level of competition to an event ACROSS ALL DIVISIONS. That way if you come first in Div3 and there are 30 teams in each division you have fairly come 61st... (one of Baca's sticking points )

Come on Baca give me some constructive criticism on this idea.

manike

 

[Mark Toye-Nexus]

I have some serious ideas about this

Make it a true league

Division 1 scores say from 100 to 80 points for top 20 (everyone 20+ all get 80 series points too) In division 2 the MOST you can score is 79 series points.

Take this down 40 places and Division 3 can only score 39 points AT MOST.

The reward for playing up the division is that you score highly in the series, guaranteed.

The bottom 4 HAVE to be relegated (they then come back to this division next time they play, period)

The top 4 get prizes and HAVE to go up. Again if they dont play the very next event the next time they do they play in the division they won prmotion to.

It doesnt matter how many teams there are - last place gets 1 point (div 3) first in div 1 gets 100. If there are less than 100 teams then the teams score right across the band (ie 20 div 3 teams - first gets 39, second 37 etc, right down to twentieth that scores 1)

Hows about that then????

Mark

The only difficulty would be marshalling points as these give a false measure of a teams standing. This could be the sticking point here. Maybe a straight 100 points??

Difficult, whats the insentive as there are no classifictaions of teams??? Only one champion???

Any ideas guys???

 

[TJ Lambini]

OK, my go...

Divisions of 20, doesn't matter how many teams enter then...80 teams, four divisions, 158 teams, eight divisions, initially seeded by the organisers.

End of each season, four promoted, four relegated, series prizes increased, individual event prizes decreased to encourage teams to support the series...at the moment in Paintball, I think winning the World Cup is a bigger deal than winning the NPPL Series; arguably winning Toulouse is a bigger deal than the Mill Series...this isn't right, it doesn't reward consistent excellence.

I kinda like the promotion/relegation every event, but I feel it doesn't reward consistency...cos every dog has its day, and the world's best can ****-up big time...see GZ at Tha Dam.

More more more.

 

[Mark Toye-Nexus]

TJ

The 20 team divisions are too rigid

We can see already that not every team turns up to every event.

So the numbers in the divisions should be flexible

So many variables to make this work!!!

Thinking cap is on

Mark

 

[manike]

OK, my go...

Originally posted by TJ Lambini
I kinda like the promotion/relegation every event, but I feel it doesn't reward consistency...cos every dog has its day, and the world's best can ****-up big time...see GZ at Tha Dam.

Agreed and that's why we would have the weighting factor. You wouldn't be seeded purely on your results from the single last event but from the results you have had through the series. It would be an average of your results. I expect in this case it would have meant that GZ wouldn't have dropped out of Div 1, but they would have quite rightly slid down a few places.

Obviously at the start of a season there would be an averaging factor brought in from the last seasons results.

manike