Millennium Rules ?

[BaddahBoom]

Avalanche's Empire shirts

it's seems most talk is about the Dye shirts only as a reference
but this pic says imo more about the padding development
and what we might see more & more in the near future

i wonder if players with these shirts were also checked
if they had a forearm&elbow protector underneath it aswell


so maybe it would be wise to give some kind of date
as to when padding in shirts should not be allowed in MS events 2005 maybe ??

Originally posted by tubbie
Because as is obvoius to anybody that the padding is soley put on there to achieve more bouncing! so they should be banned or any shirt for that matter with padding on non-essential places.

and non-essential places is a funny term Tubbie
when u can get hit with a paintball all over your body
so every place is essential if hit with a paintball with the purpose to have it break
so too thick bounce enhancing beanies should be banned too

 

[BaddahBoom]

Pink & Orange pt2

Originally posted by Steve Morris
Care to discuss pink and orange anyone? I'll be back tomorrow.

we were in the middle of that two weeks ago already Steve

from the NPPL 2k4 rules releaseds


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Originally posted by BaddahBoom
>>>Steve Morris :
Now you mention other colors. As soon as orange and pink get to be de facto protected color everywhere (not just in the NXL) then players will start only buying orange and pink because they will mark better.<<<


So since the Mill events are no longer BYO (as far as i understood)
due to the staining paint reason,
does that mean all Paint for Sale at Mill Events will be Pink and/or Orange ??


Because that would be a real start to making those colors defacto protected in Mill events.


And it would at least give the correct signal to the players,
and give them a valid reason to accept/understand the colour of clothes rule more easily.

It also shows that it is an effort by all parties (Players Promotors Industry)to change things for the better.
and not just a "laying down the law thing" by the rules committee.
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Originally posted by Steve Morris
This is the simple way to at least get started. Once it gets going it will probably become the same as NXL; teams will only buy the protected colors.

I'm just wondering now about all them flame orange bandanas.

Steve

So i am curious if it is that simple
can/will the paint distributors at the mills be forced
to only sell pink and orange filled paintballs at Mill events ??

After all It has to start somewhere !!

and like MarkieX also posted
maybe paintballshell colours should also be an issue then
ok clear loaders are on the agenda but same should go for clear pods too then !

 

[BaddahBoom]

i deliberately took the essential out of safety context
and tried to put it in a essential for balbreaking context

but let me put it this way

i don't really think everyone (tubbie included ) is wearing
a 1.5cm thick beanie solely out of safetyreasons


4 what it's worth

i know Tubbie and i know his beanie
it's too late for his safety


And back on safety

I think Xball (as eggi stated)
is a completely different League due to its intensity
so maybe even stricter safetyrules should apply
on hard & software.

 

[Steve Morris]

Originally posted by Robbo
Steve, we (NPPL Rules Committee) had an impromptu meeting whilst at Huntington Beach on the subject of the Dye jerseys.
It's a contentious one that's for sure and we were split but the final decision was to allow them as long as they had no under jersey.
The principle of padding is, I agree, a slippery slope, I would be a fool not to think that, the problem arose when you have to consider two layers of clothing being abused and as I pointed out, we have to define thickness limits here or we are just leaving ourselves open to someone coming in with two single layers effectively being more bouncey than any Dye jersey shoulder.

I went down to Dye last week and asked Youngblood why he had put the pads on in the first place and his answer was, 'Pete, we did it because it looked good, they were part of the overal look we were trying to achieve'.

Now before anybody starts jumping up and down and telling me he was talking bull and I am just singing his tune, just think for a second, if he (Dave) wanted to give an unfair advantage to any player who would wear his jerseys, then why the hell put the padding on the shoulder, I can think of many other places it would have actually achieved sometihng like what people accuse the jersey of doing.

The resolution for this problem seems to me to be obvious, we need to come up with some serious tests that set limits on thicknesses based upon reasonable data collection.
We can as some have suggested just ban padding in specific areas outright but then some industrious person will just come up with two single layers being many times more bouncy than any single Dye jersey shoulder and make a mockery of what we are trying to achieve.
The only way around this is to define limits and to do that, we need to do some professional testing and adjudication in conjunction with the manufacturers.

Thanks for your honest answer, Pete.

I actually agree and think they are probably the best looking jerseys out there.

The official word is now that the Dye jerseys in question will be allowed another season. Concerning X Ball: they will be allowed for the time being and we will follow NXL's lead. I will continue to work to get them phased out because of all the reasons I've posted before.

More to come when I get more time.

Steve

 

[shwoomie]

Originally posted by Steve Morris
Thanks for your honest answer, Pete.

I actually agree and think they are probably the best looking jerseys out there.

The official word is now that the Dye jerseys in question will be allowed another season.

Steve

so about the new dye pants... when you get time please find out!!

and does the jersey rule include both the older and newer dye jerseys?

 

[jotajotaZ]

Regarding colors on markers. Are pink/orange guns allowed?

One of my team mates just got a Pink Lady and would be really pissed off if he had to reanodize it this soon. Also, there is no time for him to do so before Germany and no, this was not warned beforehand.

I'd like to have a clear and prompt answer on this, since if we are not allowed to use our guns we'll have to borrow some for Germany. And time is running out!

 

[Steve Morris]

Originally posted by jotajotaZ
Regarding colors on markers. Are pink/orange guns allowed?

One of my team mates just got a Pink Lady and would be really pissed off if he had to reanodize it this soon. Also, there is no time for him to do so before Germany and no, this was not warned beforehand.

I'd like to have a clear and prompt answer on this, since if we are not allowed to use our guns we'll have to borrow some for Germany. And time is running out!

Guns can be any color you want. Concerning 7-player, pink and orange will most likely be phased out in exposed clothing sometime, probably not right away. Just like the Dye tops with extra padding, don't make any new commitments to purchase or print any. For X Ball, the rules have always clearly said no pink or orange.

Steve

 

[Steve Morris]

Originally posted by Markie X
Steve, when will the clear hopper rule go in effect ?

It depends on how close Millennium rules will be to NPPL rules. According to NPPL's website, as of today, clear hoppers will not be allowed past July 31. I would say that Millennium will allow them at least that long. Another case of "don't buy any more clear hoppers".

Steve

 

[Steve Morris]

Originally posted by Fatty
Think you are missing the point steve here, if there aint any rule about what can you wear under the shirt OR how thick can the shirt be. Good examples like playing with college shirt where is your teams name or have hud under your top...

my 68 cents

Overly thick undershirts, undershorts, jerseys or trousers will not be allowed. We don't have to overdefine and laboratory test everything to know what is ridiculous for use in PB. It would be insanse to have to lug around a 1000+ page rulebook that superdefines every possible eventuality and the possible loopholes thereof.

If by college shirt you mean sweatshirt, no they won't be allowed at all; they are too thick.

Steve

 

[Steve Morris]

Originally posted by Markie X
Steve i'm not pushing you in a corner here but our team decided to marshall
the MS this year partially on the belief that it would start making sense
with you on board (some old skool hippy is alway good for any cause )

So please help me on the above, if pink/orange is disallowed in
clothing for the obvious practical reason would this also incorparate
hoppers, guns, stickers and clear tubes carrying pink/orange paint ?
Will there be a minimum coverd area (cm2) be used or will the smallest spot (small embrodery on the beanie as an example) deem it illegal ?
Will it also dictate that only these colors will be used as fills for on-site sold paint.

If it is only playing jerseys and different kind of fills will be sold
on-site what sense does it make then ?

just your opinion i'm looking for, no definite rulings

IF we follow NPPL's, PSP's and X Ball's lead, pink and orange IN EXPOSED CLOTHING will be phased out. Just read the words the way they're written to get your answer for the future.

Steve