Millennium Rules ?

[agge]

Embarrasing Steve!

I don´t care if you are trying to be nice by letting us know in advance that we "should be prepared" for some rulechanges that might happen. It´s completely unacceptable that you are coming up with those rules this late. You can not come on now and warn us that we can not wear this jersey and that when it´s only 12 days left to the tournament.

No Steve (and the rules board), if you are gonna change important rules like those, you MUST let the teams know much earlier. It is totally unacceptable what you are now doing in my eyes. If you wanna take on these rules, implement them by say Toulouse so that teams can prepare.

This is getting too unprofessional.

/agge

 

[Markie X]

Originally posted by Fatty
Think you are missing the point steve here, if there aint any rule about what can you wear under the shirt OR how thick can the shirt be. Good examples like playing with college shirt where is your teams name or have hud under your top...

my 68 cents

why do those guys up north always make sense

guess you guys will have to re ano your guns too but hey you still got 12 days


Steve, when will the clear hopper rule go in effect ?

 

[Fatty]

Markie x, heh its thankgod we aint playing at germany so we will get more to reanno our guns

totaly agree with agge about the timeline over here, you cant say in captains meeting that you arent allowed to play with some gear when so many teams are using like dye tops!

The point aint about dye paddings illigal or are we using them but that there should been somekind of warning waaay before then this. Still saying its not nice to ban just one top if there arent any rules about what kind of the rest tops should be or what you are wearing under them.
And it is quite weird that we are looking rules like this and not about bouncing guns or some other things we should be looking at.

Nowdays the paint is so good that they almost brake anywhere, would be nice to see somekind of test how much some padding makes diffrence.

 

[Markie X]

Originally posted by Steve Morris
3. Pink and orange in any exposed clothing MIGHT NOT BE ALLOWED so be prepared in the same way as what I wrote in point 2.

I just wanted to make sure those who read this are forewarned about the above possibilities.

Steve

Steve i'm not pushing you in a corner here but our team decided to marshall
the MS this year partially on the belief that it would start making sense
with you on board (some old skool hippy is alway good for any cause )

So please help me on the above, if pink/orange is disallowed in
clothing for the obvious practical reason would this also incorparate
hoppers, guns, stickers and clear tubes carrying pink/orange paint ?
Will there be a minimum coverd area (cm2) be used or will the smallest spot (small embrodery on the beanie as an example) deem it illegal ?
Will it also dictate that only these colors will be used as fills for on-site sold paint.

If it is only playing jerseys and different kind of fills will be sold
on-site what sense does it make then ?

just your opinion i'm looking for, no definite rulings

 

[noop]

Quit complaining or I will take flight and shoot you right on the top of your shoulder pad!

Seriously though, the Dye shoulder pads have the magical ability to transform refs into a state of stupor.

 

[Markie X]

Originally posted by noop
Quit complaining or I will take flight and shoot you right on the top of your shoulder pad!

hey i'm only here to protect the innocent (my sensitive shoulders in this case )

 

[Steve Morris]

Originally posted by Robbo
As far as I know, Dye jerseys, for the reasons Budha states are gonna be ok and there are no immediate plans to phase them out this year or any other year.
I talked to Niall and Dave about it recently and I don't think there is a problem as long as no jersey is worn underneath.
There is a bunch of talk going on here about bouncing and stuff, I tell you this much, if I was to wear two of my choices of playing tops, as is allowed now, that are both one layer, I could walk out onto that field with many times more a bounce factor than any Dye top.
Unless we get all scientific on our ass and come up with a specific thickness limit, all the rest of the rhetoric is just plain , ill informed conjectural bullsh1t.
Just my two cents

Hi Robbo,

Since you are on the rules committee for NPPL and, in a way, I'm on the rules committee for Millennium, I would appreciate your feedback.

I am pushing for more uniformity between the leagues for obvious reasons. There are many who ref and play all the major leagues and it is just plainly more practical if the rules were a lot closer together.

Do you think it would be reasonable if, in these areas we're discussing, we followed exactly NPPL's rules in both word and practice? If so (and even if not) would you be so kind as to tell us what that practice is? We know what the written rules say in the rules published on NPPL's website. What was the practice at HB and what will it be hereafter?

This is not a rhetorical question or anything else. I'm looking for honest feedback.

Steve

 

[Steve Morris]

Embarrasing Steve!

Originally posted by agge
I don´t care if you are trying to be nice by letting us know in advance that we "should be prepared" for some rulechanges that might happen. It´s completely unacceptable that you are coming up with those rules this late. You can not come on now and warn us that we can not wear this jersey and that when it´s only 12 days left to the tournament.

No Steve (and the rules board), if you are gonna change important rules like those, you MUST let the teams know much earlier. It is totally unacceptable what you are now doing in my eyes. If you wanna take on these rules, implement them by say Toulouse so that teams can prepare.

This is getting too unprofessional.

/agge

I am SO embarrassed, Agge.

I think you're right in the point that we can't be unfair and force an immediate change at Maxs Masters. IF there is a change it will be phased in.

My whole purpose here was to create an awareness that change is on the way.

I highly recommend NOT buying or sigining any contracts for jerseys with extra padding or with orange or pink in them.

We'll discuss this further in Bitburg.

Steve

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Steve Morris
Hi Robbo,

Since you are on the rules committee for NPPL and, in a way, I'm on the rules committee for Millennium, I would appreciate your feedback.

I am pushing for more uniformity between the leagues for obvious reasons. There are many who ref and play all the major leagues and it is just plainly more practical if the rules were a lot closer together.

Do you think it would be reasonable if, in these areas we're discussing, we followed exactly NPPL's rules in both word and practice? If so (and even if not) would you be so kind as to tell us what that practice is? We know what the written rules say in the rules published on NPPL's website. What was the practice at HB and what will it be hereafter?

This is not a rhetorical question or anything else. I'm looking for honest feedback.

Steve

Steve, we (NPPL Rules Committee) had an impromptu meeting whilst at Huntington Beach on the subject of the Dye jerseys.
It's a contentious one that's for sure and we were split but the final decision was to allow them as long as they had no under jersey.
The principle of padding is, I agree, a slippery slope, I would be a fool not to think that, the problem arose when you have to consider two layers of clothing being abused and as I pointed out, we have to define thickness limits here or we are just leaving ourselves open to someone coming in with two single layers effectively being more bouncey than any Dye jersey shoulder.

I went down to Dye last week and asked Youngblood why he had put the pads on in the first place and his answer was, 'Pete, we did it because it looked good, they were part of the overal look we were trying to achieve'.

Now before anybody starts jumping up and down and telling me he was talking bull and I am just singing his tune, just think for a second, if he (Dave) wanted to give an unfair advantage to any player who would wear his jerseys, then why the hell put the padding on the shoulder, I can think of many other places it would have actually achieved sometihng like what people accuse the jersey of doing.

The resolution for this problem seems to me to be obvious, we need to come up with some serious tests that set limits on thicknesses based upon reasonable data collection.
We can as some have suggested just ban padding in specific areas outright but then some industrious person will just come up with two single layers being many times more bouncy than any single Dye jersey shoulder and make a mockery of what we are trying to achieve.
The only way around this is to define limits and to do that, we need to do some professional testing and adjudication in conjunction with the manufacturers.

 

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Pete

I feel the cynic in me rising to the surface....

You dont think that the 'looks good and only part of the design' padding was put on the shoulder (and forearm) as this was the only part of the shirt seen whilst snap-shooting?

And as for detailing what can and cant be worn under the playing shirt I always thought the following rule seemed to cover it well:

9. Clothing
9.01 Each player may wear only one layer of underclothing consistent with the weather of the day for all but unseasonably cold weather. This shall consist of, at maximum, one pair of under-shorts and one short or long sleeve T-shirt.

Just thought I'd join this discussion.