I truly share that frustration, bro.Originally posted by Andy Piper
Steve
Not a dig at the messenger mate, just how shall I say frustration at the lack of information
Millennium Rules ?
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Pete
As for rules, they are only as good as they last, if like most rule book, they are a process, then any rule can be amended to take into account changing circumstances.
Since the NPPL rule book is certainly a process and the Millennium have chosen, for the most part, to adopt their rules, then it should come as no surprise the European rule book is also in a state of flux.
Paintball is not just about the players, we need to open our eyes here a little wider, not much, just a little.
Andy, I think the shirts do look good yeah and I also think the padding causes a problem in terms of appropriateness but I don't agree with u regarding the shoulder being the only thing visible area whilst snap shooting, basically the marker and loader are in the way.
As for rules, they are only as good as they last, if like most rule book, they are a process, then any rule can be amended to take into account changing circumstances.
Since the NPPL rule book is certainly a process and the Millennium have chosen, for the most part, to adopt their rules, then it should come as no surprise the European rule book is also in a state of flux.
Paintball is not just about the players, we need to open our eyes here a little wider, not much, just a little.
Sorry Pete
I thought we we're only discussing shirts at the time.
I am sure that, in the fullness of time (and given enough room by those that set the rules!!) that some smart marker manufacturer will find a way to justify a complete marker padded device to protect the gun from damage when sliding yet, coincidentally, only leaves the barrel showing when shooting!!
(please note the sarcasm laced through out this statement and understand that this isn't actually a serious comment despite the obvious distaste that lingers in the fact that we still have no deffinate ruling about padded shirts as we enter yet another year of Millennium paintball!)
At some point someone has to realise that we can not reach a deffinative set of rules for our sport without upsetting someone or some company. Take the plunge, set the god damn rules, set a break-in period to allow people and companies to adjust and, for FU*K SAKE, stick with it!!!!
I thought we we're only discussing shirts at the time.
I am sure that, in the fullness of time (and given enough room by those that set the rules!!) that some smart marker manufacturer will find a way to justify a complete marker padded device to protect the gun from damage when sliding yet, coincidentally, only leaves the barrel showing when shooting!!
(please note the sarcasm laced through out this statement and understand that this isn't actually a serious comment despite the obvious distaste that lingers in the fact that we still have no deffinate ruling about padded shirts as we enter yet another year of Millennium paintball!)
At some point someone has to realise that we can not reach a deffinative set of rules for our sport without upsetting someone or some company. Take the plunge, set the god damn rules, set a break-in period to allow people and companies to adjust and, for FU*K SAKE, stick with it!!!!
Sorry Pete
When I saw the the picture of the Avalanche player with the padded forearms I saw EXACTLY what I foresaw when the waffling started with the padded shoulders. What we who judge and deal with rules have to look forward to is a lot of grief and hassle about "You allow them to have extra padding! You HAVE TO allow us!" It could have been nipped in the bud over a year ago by someone having the balls to simply say, "Sorry, the rules are there plainly and clearly about where padding is allowed. We have to follow the rules."
And I agree with Nick's post too. Unfortunately it looks like it's hard enough just getting started with clothing.
What this sport needs is a totally independent international rules and judging organization. I guess that goes without saying and I know it has been suggested before.
Thank you! What I've been trying to say.
When I saw the the picture of the Avalanche player with the padded forearms I saw EXACTLY what I foresaw when the waffling started with the padded shoulders. What we who judge and deal with rules have to look forward to is a lot of grief and hassle about "You allow them to have extra padding! You HAVE TO allow us!" It could have been nipped in the bud over a year ago by someone having the balls to simply say, "Sorry, the rules are there plainly and clearly about where padding is allowed. We have to follow the rules."
And I agree with Nick's post too. Unfortunately it looks like it's hard enough just getting started with clothing.
What this sport needs is a totally independent international rules and judging organization. I guess that goes without saying and I know it has been suggested before.
Steve
I think it would make is simpler for the manufacturers, players, promoters and judges.
World peace would be nice too.
I see what you mean. I just wish there were a truly independent, international committee that would standardize at least the overlapping issues i.e. equipment, clothing, protection, colors, control of markers, and so forth.
I think it would make is simpler for the manufacturers, players, promoters and judges.
World peace would be nice too.
Should the NXL succeed to some degree then we will see a "real" effort made to protect the integrity of the game cos they will have a reason to do so and all the incestuous pressures that apply across the board now, to one degree or another, will have no sway. Until the Sport is bigger than the Movers and Shakers it's unlikely any serious change or reform will occur...
Why do the people that makes rules insist on making such stupid rules that they have no sensible hope of being able to interpret and enforce? It's absolutley ludicrous.
This one will be just like the 'no padding rule' I mean 'no extra padding rule' I mean 'padding but not in the shoulders' I mean 'padding in the shoulders but no extra layers underneath' and 'padding in the forarm is ok for diving and arm protection and err sure you can put a quilt down the front of your arm because it isn't in the rules that you can't, and now you are also wearing a shirt with padding down the arm to hand as well' but that's ok because it may slip out of the way and you obviously still need 'forarm padding protection' rule...
Sometimes it amazes me how stupid people that make the rules are.
YOU NEED TO MAKE SIMPLE RULES THAT ARE EASY TO INTERPRET AND ENFORCE, for the players sakes, and for the judges sakes (and lastly for the manufaturers to know what they can and can not make).
When it comes to padding, say NO PADDING, or at least quantify it.
When it come to loaders say 'black only' if you let translucent through, you need to quantify it, and you have less chance of doing that, and enforcing it, in reality than a snowball in hell.
Actually you have no chance. Tell me before you ban 'clear' loaders what exactly is a clear loader please. You have to if you are after all going to ban them...
And the players want coloured loaders, and the sponsors who make and sell them and sponsor your events want them... so what are you going to do? How are you going to enforce it?
What's translucent? What about the smoke the evo 2's have? Is it clear or translucent? is it allowed or not? What about the ones we have with clear shells but silver flakes in them? I can prove they let less light through and are less translucent that the smoked evo's... does that make them allowable?
Very, VERY, ****ing stupid rules.
Please don't make me laugh so hard that my sides split open. Again.Originally posted by Steve Morris
I hope we won't have to come up with some kind of scientific test to know the difference.
You don't know the difference in anyway that can be anything other that subjective. And that's a bull**** rule.
How about we try to make a decent basic set of rules, and here's the crunch, ENFORCE them.
Why makes rules you have no hope in hell of enforcing unless they are about majorly significant issues, (Like safety and cheating), and then if you make them work harder to enforce them.
Right now I think this kind of thing makes many of our rules a mockery, and just causes more problems/headaches.
You wouldn't have to worry about how hard it is to see hits on clear loaders if you had enough judges doing their jobs watching the players.... oh and that would solve a lot of other problems as well wouldn't it?
Nah too easy.
Idea...
How about before a rule is made, it's discussed in a forum, here or somewhere.
So those that it's being made for can say what they feel, those that know how to break it in seconds can say what they feel and how they will get around it, and those that make stuff can say what they feel.
Then we debate it, and come up with a decent, valuable rule, that can be enforced with some simplicity and with some sense?
How about before a rule is made, it's discussed in a forum, here or somewhere.
So those that it's being made for can say what they feel, those that know how to break it in seconds can say what they feel and how they will get around it, and those that make stuff can say what they feel.
Then we debate it, and come up with a decent, valuable rule, that can be enforced with some simplicity and with some sense?
Fair point. Obviously I'm presuming the NXL evolves along lines of actual sport--and that is, by some reckoning, presumtious indeed.Originally posted by Robbo
And just who is the gonna protect the NXL from Dick Clark?
To Simon et al: somebody start a thread with a section of rules quoted at top and get started. Perhaps Equipment.