Right !
Originally posted by Nick Iuel-Brockdorff
JM
So I got some facts wrong ?
Which ones ?
- Did you NOT change 2 x 50 penalty points to 2 x 18 ?
- Did you NOT do so before it was clear if the Tontons would qualify ?
- What exactly is it your refer to as having "mistyped" (what articles and what SHOULD they have said) ??
- Did you NOT make public rules saying 50 penalty points for an average above 305 FPS after a game ?
- Were you NOT already in January made aware of article 12.41 - both in here and via email ?
I'm curious as to exactly what facts I got wrong..... and if any, I'm ofcourse more than willing to apollogise for any misconceptions I may have been the cause for !
Nick
- The rule, after the captins' meeting, was "no end of game chrono". No chrono, no penalties. You cannot be penalized by a rule that doesn't exist.
Yes, we changed that rule, but not from 2x50 (unexisting rule) to 2x18 (I don't know the count, I'll trust you on the figures), we changed it from Zero to 2x18.
- Yes, we did so before the Tontons qualified.
- What I refer as mistyped are articles 7.03 and 10.28, 8.11, 12.41, 13.03 for instance.
Paragraph 7.03 stated you were eliminated if your gun shot above 300, paragraph 10.28 said the same but with 310 as the limit. Paragraph 8.11 said you'd get 1x1d for watching the game and that the DZ was behind the flag station. Paragraph 13.03 says NPPL instead of Millennium. Rule 12.41 should have said that:
average of 3 shots 301 to 305 : 10 points
306 - 324 : 2points per foot above 300
325 and up : 50 penalty points
- Yes, the rules had been public for a while. I didn't spot obvious mistakes and discrepancies before, nor did anyone who dowloaded the file from the website.
I renew my apologies for the mistakes containes in the file. That should not have happened, and I don't know how it did, since I can't find now modifications I perfectly remember typing in. My guess is I amended the wrong file -and I'll accept your comments because THERE I am faulty.
You can't yell after us correcting paragraph 12.41, and say nothing about paragraph 8.11 !!! If you say you want the written rules to be our Bible no matter the mistakes, be consistent.
But I don't believe that's the case. I believe you found a hot issue and started looking at everything that could make it look worse, oblivious to the rest of the truth (which is : we corrected other paragraphs and you didn't mind, the rule had been modified at the captain's meeting and was then final, etc.) You don't actually want to have uncorrect rules applied to your team. Had a ref 1x1ed one of your players because of rule 8.11, you'll be angry at us and raising we didn't correct such an obvious error!!!
I hope everybody gets his mind back when dust settles.
When I was officiating in Toulouse, teams would complain we had taken such decision because they were a Novice team and we favored pros, pros would say we had commercial grieves against their sponsors, Franch team would say we sacrificed them to please foreign ones, foreign teams would say we were biased in favor of the local teams... And we were there, trying to be fair to every team, even to those who'd insult us.
I still have the same mindset. I made errors typing the rules and not re-reading them well, and I offer you my deepest apologies for that. I've already started to work on "Version 2" of the rules.
But I stand firm by our decision : we should have followed the rules and cancelled the penalty points. We kept them (calculated by the rule) in contradiction with what had been said during the captains' meeting and in spite of what would have been fair to the Tontons because Laurent plays with them. If it was political -and it was- it was AGAINST a promoter. Had it been your team, for instance, we'd have cancelled the points. We didn't yield to a promoter's pressure, it's exactly the contrary.
Anyway... You implicitely say Moose and Joern were biased, all three of us were biased. Well, I'll argue about a possible mistake, but I can't let good people be insulted like that. Joern is the most honest, the most wanting to be fair ultimate I know. Moose's reputation doesn't need my back up.
Well, I've already written here much more than I wanted to. Please don't take my not posting replies here from now on as disrespect to you or any other. If you didn't get the facts Joern and I presented you with, if I didn't get my point across, there's no use repeating the same things endlessly.
I stand by what I stand, I sincerily apologize for my mistakes, I won't accept inuendos that I am biased in favor or against anyone, I hold no grief against anybody -not even against Robbo, even if he should know better- because I can understand people get carried out when they believe justice has been violated.
My email is on the website.
Jean-Manuel
