Irony of the Day (warning: non-PB subject)

[Ben Frain]

Originally posted by TJ Lambini
The problems are very simple. There are fundamentalist ****ers out there who think it's fine to kill/intimidate/imprison/repatriate people who disagree with them...some are muslims, some are jews, some are christians. They all need dealing with.

It has nothing to do with race or religion, which you seem to think it has.

And as for your edit, drop in the words Christians and God for Muslim and Allah and the sentence still holds...you know a Christian group is calling for everyone involed in that Jerry Springer opera to be killed? They published all the cast and crews' names, personal information, sexuality et al on their website and effectively did a Christan fatwa on 'em. They are white christian ****s, just the same as there are arabic muslim ****s.

A **** is a ****.

Mr Lambini, I don't disagree with any of that.

It just so happens though that in the Netherlands these groups are Muslim, not christian. The scale of these groups also far exceeds the Christian groups you are citing, and therefore presents more of a danger.

Look, I realise I aren't endearing myself to the party hosts here with my opinions and don't want to be a rude guest so I'm leaving this subject at that...

 

[John C]

How about get all religious people, whether they are muslim catholic , protestant, jewish or whatever and kill the lot of em.

That way the whole problem would be solved without discriminating against anyone...

 

[Buddha 3]

No, don't leave when you are so hilariously wrong!

Fact: By far the most political and terrorist violence in Holland has come from the political extreme left in the form of animal right activists and other tree huggers.

The most significant recent political muder in Holland was done by an animal right activist.
The last groups to succesfully execute bombings in the Netherlands have been the IRA (Christians), the RAF (Rote Armee Fraktion, communists from Germany), and RARA (anti apartheidsgroup with too much time on their hands).

The groups you are so incredibly scared of have some major catching up to do.

 

[TJ Lambini]

Originally posted by Ben Frain
Mr Lambini, I don't disagree with any of that.

It just so happens though that in the Netherlands these groups are Muslim, not christian. The scale of these groups also far exceeds the Christian groups you are citing, and therefore presents more of a danger.

Look, I realise I aren't endearing myself to the party hosts here with my opinions and don't want to be a rude guest so I'm leaving this subject at that...

1. Cool.

2. I disagree. Did Buddha mention the far right white groups burning down Islamic schools, race attacks etc.? Tha scale of Arabic groups in tha US and Europe is far below that of far right groups...in tha Arab world it's greater, for sure, but you ain't talking bout tha Arab world.

3. Unlike tha Dutch Govt, we welcome freedom of speech.

 

[Ben Frain]

TJ - the point about the groups though is that the extent of what they get up to is more worrying with the Muslim ones (depending on who you listen to those activities can include dirty bombs, bio-chemical attacks, shoulder mounted destruction of airplanes etc) and you just don't get that level of craziness with the far right groups (unless I am completely misinformed) - in recent history anyway

But look, I've broken my word already so to answer Buddha...

I don't believe I'm wrong, just like you don't believe you are wrong.

Nothing you say will change my mind just as nothing I say will change your mind.

Therefore it is pointless for me to keep ranting away and us to continue disagreeing over different points.

So that's it from me now....honest...roll credits, bring up the house lights...The End...

 

[TJ Lambini]

Originally posted by Ben Frain
TJ - the point about the groups though is that the extent of what they get up to is more worrying with the Muslim ones (depending on who you listen to those activities can include dirty bombs, bio-chemical attacks, shoulder mounted destruction of airplanes etc)

Again, I think you're beliving tha propaganda bull**** - these groups in tha western world just do not exist - they do not have these capabilities.

You know, if you go back to before 9/11, tha biggest terrorist atrocity in tha US was the Oklahoma bombing, and y'all had tha IRA shaking their thang...I don't recall Catholics and anti-federalists being blighted anything like tha Muslims are, do you?

Tha people involved were called what they were: Terrorists. Why did the rules change once the skin color and religion did?

 

[Ben Frain]

Originally posted by TJ Lambini

Tha people involved were called what they were: Terrorists. Why did the rules change once the skin color and religion did?

I know I said that was it but TJ - don't go putting words in my mouth. I couldn't give a **** about peoples skin colour, I do however give a big **** about their beliefs.

 

[TJ Lambini]

Originally posted by Ben Frain
I know I said that was it but TJ - don't go putting words in my mouth. I couldn't give a **** about peoples skin colour, I do however give a big **** about their beliefs.

I wasn't putting words in your mouth, I was asking a question.

And let's be honest here, do you think when folk flying into the States get the full treatment at security, they are asked their religion, or judged on their skin color? Do you think the sikhs and Hindus attacked in tha UK and tha US, had they shouted - stop, I'm not a Muslim - would have saved themselves? Do you think white Muslims get victimized? Could you pick a Muslim out of a crowd?

Me either...

 

[Ben Frain]

Originally posted by TJ Lambini
And let's be honest here, do you think when folk flying into the States get the full treatment at security, they are asked their religion, or judged on their skin color?

What like Cat Stevens?

 

[TJ Lambini]

Originally posted by Ben Frain
What like Cat Stevens?

Hey, celebs don't count...they ain't real people.

'Cept me, obviously.