Huntington Beach and Millennium France?

[Chicago]

Originally posted by Robbo
It's not a good situation when we are being asked to commit soo much money to play in the NPPL and have no formal agreements on our spots.

What I don't understand is this:

Why can't NPPL just say right now "Yes, you can sell your spots." What possible reason is there not to?

 

[Rich T.]

yeah dont get me wrong I think that the NPPL is screwing us to. the psp upped it entry fee but they are paying out way more money not the NPPL?

 

[WKD]

Originally posted by Robbo
I gotta find the money somehow to do 10 events with the NPPL now costing nearly $60,000 to play, $15k of which is just entry fees

How much??????


I hope youve started doing the lottery Robbo !!!!!!

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by WKD
How much??????


I hope youve started doing the lottery Robbo !!!!!!

it's already covered but that's not the point.

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Chicago
What I don't understand is this:

Why can't NPPL just say right now "Yes, you can sell your spots." What possible reason is there not to?

Chi, I think once the precedent has been set, as it has done now, the gates are open and anybody can sell.
The price is now gonna go down big time, the price paid for the Tigers deal was done in product (costed at retail) so in real terms, the value price of any NPPL spot is in my opinon,realistically now down to about the $10k mark but that's if you can actually find someone to buy.....good luck!

Ed Poorman went on record recently as saying he was getting out of pro Paintball (after Bainsey and Glen had it on their toes) and was selling the team and the NPPL spot; and then I hear he is now continuing with the Avalanche team and spots.

Something happened in between, I think he couldn't sell the team or the NPPL spot and was forced to continue....that tells me a lot.
The industry are not looking as favourably to pro team representation as they once did.
Maybe Ed pitched the asking price too high and knowing Ed as I do, he would not have sold his legacy for peanuts, no way.

 

[fred1]

Originally posted by Chicago
What I don't understand is this:

Why can't NPPL just say right now "Yes, you can sell your spots." What possible reason is there not to?

They don't want the teams controlling their league and speculating with their spots. A guy comes along, buys a couple franchises and starts speculating with the leagues spots? I can imagine that the NPPL expects that if anybody is to make money by selling spots it will be them.

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Baca Loco
1--What, are we seeing another situation where the "haves" get one set of rules and the "have not's" another? In Pball? Never.

If it started off this way, it sure ain't now as once the first deal is done.......it's now open to everybdy...



2--I think it's business as usual but at least it ought to be clear to anyone paying attention just what their "investment" is worth. And how the league really views the teams competing--as interchangeable cogs.

I think this point is now self-evident but I also think what you may be misinterpreting as some sort of Machiavellian master plan to assume total control is more likely the result of not laying down hard and fast rules for processes that were always gonna happen down the line.
The NPPL have not prepared themselves properly and thus by default leave the pro teams vulnerable to whatever 'mood' they (NPPL) are in at the time when it comes to setting the rules as they go along.
The point I am making here may well end up proving academic because the circumstances for any particular decision mean nothing, it's the decisions they inevitably make that determine fairness, legitimacy and so on.
This is not a good situation !!!!

3--Don't worry, be happy. Missy will remind you how much it's worth according to Pb rumor mill and Chuck will tell you how much they want you.
It wasn't too many months ago when I suggested all the Pro teams ought to band together in their own longer term interest but didn't get many takers. I know, I know. The Rats and XSV don't need anybody--today--and too many of the rest are corporate owned or leveraged but alone you've got nothing to protect you when Fortune shifts. And it always does.

I gotta say, Missy has always been straight with me, I have also got a lot of respect for him.
I also think, and I will restate, if Missy and Ged (oh and Camille ) ran the show, the NPPL league would be in a lot better position.
Chuck has done some fantastic things in getting venues like HB etc but the mechanics of management and correct decision making is hindered by too many cooks spoiling the NPPL broth.
My criticism of Chuck is that sometimes he just didn't look at the bigger picture when he needed to, no doubt he would contest this and he may be right but that's how I see it.

 

[Sean -ECX]

A small cosideration that concerns us lower div players is that we from South Africa need to book tickets well in advance to make playing Millennium affordable. Those without sponsors.

After some success at Campaign 2004 we want to play more events this year so this hocus pocus guessing when and where the events are going to be make planning a massively expensive bussiness. If we book too early, or even the incorrect destination/Toulouse/Marseille it could cost us dearly.

Hopefully entries and info will be cemented soon. No "contact us " info on millennium series web site so we wander the desert till then.

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

I'm wondering what sort of "solution" it is Pete is hinting at?

Some teams may be fairly upset, if XSV, Joy and Nexus get 1st place points for Marseille - for instance.

On the other hand - anything less might strike those 3 teams as "unfair".

At any rate - it is just completely stupid that the NPPL and MS cannot schedule without clashing.... how hard can it be to send an e-mail saying "what dates do you want?" - fcuking idiots!

Nick

 

[Lovetone]

b en ice to even know when the milleniums even are

is that photo that was uploaded with the dates FIRM now or not? need to book flights...

any help appreciated
last time i checked the MS site it was still on 05 season...

Ian