Hmmmmmmm :( :( :(

[Robbo]

Forgive my Ignorance....

Originally posted by Just Curious
Robbo,
Was the RL Coach On-Field or Off-Field while taping the games?
If the guy was On-Field, would it not just be a matter of him taping the games from the Spectators side? That way if he was asked to stop they would need to ask the numerous other camera users to stop as well.
(Apologies, I may be stating the obvious above)
I know that this dosen't solve the problem of the RL being once again targeted with 'strange' accusations and the game would be more difficult to cover but it may highlight the idiotic thinking involved in the original request.
If the Coach was Off-Field, were any of the other camera users asked to stop?
Again, forgive my ignorance..

The coach who does all the filming for the Russian Legion always does it off the field and well away from the netting.
No other team or individual was asked or told to stop filming in Amsterdam or at another Millennium tournament for that matter.
Now I don't want anybody to take this the wrong way but the architects of this manoeuvre were all American.
I wonder how they would like it if we went over there and asked them to not come onto the field until they could guarantee they would not wipe or play on.
Damn, we would have a frikkin long wait whereas the Ruskies could walk straight on.......er huh ……Irony anyone ?
How the hell can we let this happen to our finest team?
We need somebody from the Millennium to respond to this crap!!!!
Niall or Magued, your presence and comments would be welcome.
Robbo

 

[John Molloy]

I want to make a couple of points.
first is that I have watched RL on a few occasions and seen clean play, I have never seen them cheat.
second is they are treating it as a sport as a result they are true sportsmen this comes through in the way they train and the coach adds to this, the majority of teams don't have a coach and will never have a coach. Its the only way to become truly professional
and finally I think it was Nokia who recently unveiled a mobile phone that could be inserted in a molar, the article implied that this was every thing needed but I doubt that the power in a battery that small would be enough to power a signal past the enamel of said tooth. Implanted two way radios have the same problem, the system doesn't work well at all at the moment. The phone mentioned above was almost certainly just a gimic to sell gear a simple short wave radio tuned to a hands free gadget.
I'd like to see RL play again without the attendant bull**** that seems to follow every victory they have.
btw what about when RL lose a game? do they reckon the magic transmitter wasn't working? or did nasty coach turn around at a crucial point in the game?
anyway enough babble it seems everyone on this thread is basically in agreement over the basics (cos no one has said RL cheat)
L8rz

 

[manike]

Originally posted by John Molloy
the article implied that this was every thing needed but I doubt that the power in a battery that small would be enough to power a signal past the enamel of said tooth.

This isn't a gimmick and does work. I've used a small device at a tech show a year or so ago that you held in your back teeth and the vibration through your teeth and jaw bone could be heard in your ear. Was very, very weird but fairly cool. The technology is available...

dooh dooh, dooh dooh... the twilight zone...

manike

 

[NIALL]

I'll respond.

The Russians set out to win the games they play Most of us sensible people believe that they are doing this by hard work, studying where they went wrong, and reacting to it. This is done by filming. Pretty basic stuff really.

Now there are some out there who think that this meteoric rise of the RL is because the Russians are better at cheating than them. Typical playground attitude. A lot of the teams at the top cheat like MOFO's, in fact its the norm. Lets not put the RL into the same bracket.

I belive the camera bloke quite willingly gave his camera to Pete Martin/ Moose to film a game in Amsterdam, which I belive they still won, so next will come the allegation that the Ultimate judge coached the ruskies on to victory!!

Let those who question this carry on trying to prove otherwise...They are the one that are starting to look rather stupid and definitley not the RL. If in the absolutely remotest possibility that they do get caught out doing something dodgy I for one will eat my hat. But I will have fun while they try looking!

I think that Toulouse could be entertaining on many fronts, and probably the first Grand Slam to the Russians

 

[manike]

Originally posted by NIALL
Let those that question this carry on trying to prove otherwise...They are the one that are starting to look rather stupid and definitley not the RL.

Agreed as long as their search doesn't impede on the RL. i.e. RL should be allowed to continue filming their team until it is proven to be a problem. Since there is no proof, RL should be allowed to continue. Is that not sensible? innocent until proven guilty...

On the other hand can we film all the other pro games and then use that as evidence...

manike

 

[Robbo]

Thank God for at least one sane and reasonable voice on the Millennium board, there is hope yet
Magued, stop lurking in the back there you chicken, get up the front here and open your mouth

Pete

 

[Orange]

I think a lot of the top (US) teams would like no one to film any of their games as it will prove that a lot of them are cheating!
There are already a couple of tapes where some of the big names are clearly wiping, and they are loosing more and more support every event they play.

The RL on the other hand are getting more and more popular, and they have had to do it the hard way, by proving how good they are and sticking to their beliefs about fair play and hard training.
They could of easily started cheating a bit, just like and average team, and I'm sure they would have won a few events, but they didn't, and people are finally starting to realise how special they are.
They're not "cool dudes", but they play the best ball out there and it's about time the big sponsers start suporting them and the way they aproach the game instead of looking who has the longest hair or the most tattoos.

I've played against them a couple of times, and always try and watch their games and I've seen the reactions of the spectators change over the last year, in Stockholm when the played that killer game against Avalanche, at Campaign, in Germany when everybody was cheering them on and finally in Amsterdam where everybody agreed they were the best team and got ****ed big time (again)!
The only place they weren't very popular was at the World Cup, where I was disgusted what the average Yank spectator was saying about them while watching them play, but I guess that's no big surprise...
I can't wait until Toulouse where I'm sure they'll finally win their first event and get the biggest cheers from the crowd!!

 

[Magued]

Sorry I was sleeping!

This actuelly happend to me last year in Toulose. I was sitting on the grandstand filming Joy against Russian legion. And I was also taking in to the camera when some french guy came over and told me to stop. Having a high fever and being nervous about the game I didnt arguee back. But when I think about it really piss me off! Robbo is absolutly right, who the f*ck have the right to tell anyone to stop filming? And if anyone suspect anything, prove it first and talk later!!

I will make sure our russian friend have a special spectator tower of his own in Stockholm where he can do hes stuff without being bothered by the loosing teams!

Nothing but respect to RL.

Magued

 

[SuperBeef]

There is constant talk about the "Yank teams" on this site. It is in bad taste to lump all the US teams into one.

Specificly in response to the Russian Legion thread, why can you guys not stand up to your opinion and name names. Don't say the Yank pros can't handle losing to, or look to tear down, the RL. Many of the US players have loads of respect for the Russian team and what they have accomplished.

I know that Robbo is talking about one of the Millenium organizers, but some of the posts seem to point the blame at American pro teams.

The fact is that Ed Poorman from Avalanche and subsequently some of the Avalanche players claimed the RL was using a radio at last years event in Portugal. Laurant has on occasion at least implied the same thing. Another fact is that most of the US players and others involved with the US teams think the claim is silly at best and borderline paranoid.

I simply dislike the stereotyping of the US pro teams and players. We aren't all conspiracy theorists. We aren't all cheats. We aren't all bad losers. We aren't all spoiled brats. As a matter of fact most of the US pro players are stand up people and players who happen to have some God given abilities which they have honed through years of dedication to hard work and practice, and thus stand atop the sport of paintball as the best the game has to offer.

My personal belief is that it is a bit of jealousy that a few wish to tear down the accomplishments of the RL. It is also jealousy that leads Non American players to discredit all the US pro teams accomplishments with silly attacks aimed at the lot, but based on the actions of a very few.

Flame away, but that's how I feel.

 

[manike]

I agree with you Superbeef!

manike