Do Your Part to Help Reunification

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by Missy Q
Good - a challenge, so lets see shall we?



You are wrong. PP may take the money, and they may do the locations and materiels, but to claim that is all that goes into running events is ridiculous. What about booking the teams, the refs, the rules, the schedule, the hotels/team accomodations, all of which are done by the NPPL. And to claim Bart is the main man organising the events is also wrong. There are at least 4 people I knew of that do more towrds getting the events organised. As for the "we all know" part, who is "we all"? I know tat to be false, and I would go out on a limb and say that I would have better info than you.


Well if you qualify your statement in the most generic possible way then I suppose I can't really argue with it. Yes, you are right, the NPPL, or PP, or whoever else you want to talk about in the entire world, do not have an infinite amount of resource, however that was not what you originally said, but then what you originally said was bollox....



Then you believe wrong. You can argue with me if you like, and I would then have to go into some specifics, but the reason Miami was dire (and I maintain my own opinion that it was) was not that ESPN were there and not that your undisclosed (bollox) 'resources' had anything to do with it. It was a poor venue, and no-one will travel to watch paintball in a disaster zone. Whether people would have travelled to watch it anyway in that location is debatable too. The only way I think ESPN effected the game in a negative way was that they asked for best of 5 and pushed for a format which turned games stale. I don't relate this in any way to Pure Promotions or the overall quality of the event. I think one of the other main things that ruined the traditionally vibrant NPPL atmostphere was the absence of any booze. That again was not a problem that could have been legally combated.



You see this is the exact stuff I am on you about. You are wrong. You are totally wrong. Yet you make this wrong statement as some kind of fact. If you don't know - ask! There is really no need to be so wrong.


You are wrong again.
OK you are only wrong from "or anything else" onwards in this part, so well done.

As for the rest of your post, its your opinion, and there is no problem with that at all, until the end


What you sit there and pretend about is up to you, seems you mostly pretend you know stuff about the NPPL, and thats fine too, but expect me to call you on any bollox. I don't slate the PSP, far from it, I thought the World Cup was a better event than Miami, and have no qualms saying so. That statement alone, and others I have made, preclude me from being the guy saying "the NPPL can do no wrong", in which case, who's that guy? - or is it one of your unattributed quuotes (AKA Bollocks) again?

Missy, as a fan of your regular dust-ups with Chi-town I gotta say you aren't particularly convincing here. Pulling out portions of Chi's statements, comments, etc. and then simply pronouncing him WRONG is a weak response. Don't get me wrong tho, I'm not saying you aren't correct--you might very well be--but if so your responses aren't doing your position justice.

For example, just who or what is TWI/IMG and what do they/ it have to do with the ESPN deal?

 

[Missy Q]

But I can absolutely guarantee you that there were $0 surplus funds from this TV deal that went to the players, or the league's pocket, in any way, shape or form, other than PERHAPS (and extremely unlikely) $25k from the marketing company for pro 1st place, because the things the league had to sell (sponsor space) were obviously not sold.

Chicago, I am not going to bother with the majority of your post, as I only really have one point to make and this last bit will do just fine. Re. your "absolute guarantee" above:

I personally have told plenty of people, including people on here, that ESPN (thats ESPN, not some bull**** production company) provided $25g of extra prize money to the Pro's, simply because they did not feel $25 was enough. Now, I don't lie about things pal, because I have a reputation to think about, and not just mine either, so if I said it, then it's true, or I would have kept my trap shut.
If the fundamental problem here is that you think I am a liar, online, in front of a bunch of people I know, then it doesn't really matter what factual information I present, because you clearly do not know me or how I roll.
You also know nothing about the ESPN deal whatsoever, and this is apparent by your posts. Now I will argue about semi-meaningless paintball crap all day with you, but I won't have my integrity questioned, and I won't be called a liar. So if you want to do either of those things why don't you point to an untruth in one of my posts. I can offer to point out untold crap in yours in return if you like.

Baca - in order to be more convincing I would have to go into detail about the deal, which I do not wish to do and, quite frankly, am not permitted to do. Therefore I want only to register with Chicago that he is wrong, and is in fact, full of ****. What is weaker, pointing to uninformed crap and calling it wrong when you know it to be wrong, or posting uninformed crap like its fact, and then giving your personal absolute guarantee that is the case, when it isn't? I'll leave that for you to decide.

On the hotel thing, thanks for the pointers. Its not a case of not knowing who is trashing the rooms though. The NPPL knows who it was and who the repeat offenders are. I want to know what people think the penalty should be for something like that.

 

[AngryJim]

Originally posted by Missy Q
I want to know what people think the penalty should be for something like that.

Year ban, minimum. But I'm crazy like that.

 

[Missy Q]

I'm not saying Bart does all the work for organizing the events, but Bart is the guy who is ultimately in charge of the whole show, and the guy who makes all of the decisions. Anything and everything comes down to what Bart wants to do.

Errrm, lol, OK Chicago...

 

[Chicago]

Missy:

I don't think you're a liar. I think the information you've been given ... may deserve more critical examination.

Now, I do not have this particular ESPN contract in my hands, and I suppose it's possible that you do, in which case, I am wrong. But I've got my own information, and my inormation isn't from people with an interest in how paintball companies perceive the deal between NPPL/PP and ESPN, so short of either of us actually possessing a copy of the written deal, I'm extremely confident that the financing of the deal is much closer to what I'm describing than what you're describing. What value other p8ntballer.com readers put on my absolute personal guarantee is up to them.

 

[Red Ring Inflictor]

Originally posted by Missy Q
...trashing the rooms...I want to know what people think the penalty should be for something like that.

I know this a parentheses in this discussion but I agree with AngryJim. MINIMUM one year ban PLUS fine. But let's try to prevent it in the first place by good information (and you may be doing this already). Warnings against this, gun displaying, gun discharging, failure to use barrel socks, etc. should be CLEARLY written on the website, registration forms and announced in a crystal clear way at the captains' meetings along with the consequent penalties. Then heads must be cracked as necessary.

I was very purturbed when, at the end of the first Huntington Beach event, the hotel manager of the conveniently located and reasonably priced hotel told me that he never wanted to have PB players in his hotel again. I don't know what became of that.

Not the image we're looking for.

 

[Robbo]

Chicago, if Bart said 'good morning' to me, I'd pull back the curtains to check; if Missy Q said 'good morning' to me, I would return the greeting.......
You can trust what he says....he's certainly not stupid enough to lie on here and anyway, I have never found him to be a liar ..and I have known him for too many years to mention

 

[Chicago]

I certainly don't want this to come off that I think Missy would mislead us, or that I think he's less than intelligent, and I have no doubt whatsoever that Missy entirely and honestly believes what he is saying. But it just doesn't jive with what I'm aware of. Given that I'm being pretty much as (un)forthcoming about the whole thing as Missy, I can entirely understand why he thinks I'm full of it, because it's exactly the same reason I think he's mistaken. We're both thuroughly convinced we have the right info and one of us is wrong.

 

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by Missy Q
Baca - in order to be more convincing I would have to go into detail about the deal, which I do not wish to do and, quite frankly, am not permitted to do. Therefore I want only to register with Chicago that he is wrong, and is in fact, full of ****. What is weaker, pointing to uninformed crap and calling it wrong when you know it to be wrong, or posting uninformed crap like its fact, and then giving your personal absolute guarantee that is the case, when it isn't? I'll leave that for you to decide.

On the hotel thing, thanks for the pointers. Its not a case of not knowing who is trashing the rooms though. The NPPL knows who it was and who the repeat offenders are. I want to know what people think the penalty should be for something like that.

My only point is given the nature of a public forum and the postures you've both chosen to take regarding identity the Average Joe is left with either "facts" or force of argument on which to judge the validity of one position versus another.
For example I would say it seems like you've dodged the IMG angle consistently--now maybe that's part and parcel to things you can't talk about, but ...
Regardless, I wouldn't want to see you leave anytime soon.

Re: hotel trashing. Isn't this covered broadly in the current rule book, or couldn't the current rule book be interpreted to take this situation into account? If so, shouldn't the Rules Committee have dealt with this already? [Rhetorical questions as you aren't on the Rules Committee last I heard. ]
As it stands--now that you've mentioned it --it sorta looks like given the examples offered there is some reluctance to drop the hammer on them, in which case, that's a mistake. Of course, the NPPL likes making hay using the profile of B Real and the Kids gots lots of well-placed So Cal pals. I'm just saying--

As to punishment--pay damages, 1 year ban to perps effective from the first day of the next event and a 2 event ban to their team (which should effectively deny the team a top season ranking)

 

[duffistuta]

I think we need to go properly old school - if they float, they're guilty and we burn them; if they drown then they were innocent and God will have mercy on their souls.

What can I say? I'm a traditionalist...me and Cotton Mather.