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It also means that those elusive strategic goals that paintball aspires to might stand a better chance of being made a reality...the potentials are transcendent to the player. If anything, reducing competitive pressures stands a good chance of reducing myopia which in the longer run could turn out really good for you. The greater worry is diseconomies from too many chefs..but with certain folk retaining a powerful say - it should not be an issue....

And if you wanna see angry: TJ invented paddingless car-park ghetto balling.
 

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Originally posted by matski
It also means that those elusive strategic goals that paintball aspires to might stand a better chance of being made a reality...the potentials are transcendent to the player. If anything, reducing competitive pressures stands a good chance of reducing myopia which in the longer run could turn out really good for you. The greater worry is diseconomies from too many chefs..but with certain folk retaining a powerful say - it should not be an issue....
What is this, the Robo Formulation translated into complete and utter gibberish? I'm as in favor of transcendant potentials as the next guy but c'mon, diseconomies? Matski, dude, did you suffer a recent severe blow to the head? And if not perhaps you could elaborate on--
Just what are those elusive strategic goals?
Whose myopia and what are "they" failing to see due to their current myopia?
Who are these chefs screwing with Paintball's diseconomies? I need to know.
 

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I don't think a unified league warrants the shafting of anybody, that's not a valid conclusion to draw at all.
It may well be a fear but not a cause for continued separation.
Well, based on the data sample from the One League days, pre-2003, and the Two League years since, I think it is reasonable to conclude that competition has brought a superior approach to reffing, infrastructure, and media relations. Also, I like the fruit. Jerry Braun never gave me any fruit.
 

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Originally posted by Baca Loco
Gun Rules--ramping or no ramping? Capped ROF or the ever elusive True Semi Only? Enforcement?

Format--some tweaked 7-man variant, all 5-man all the time, Xball, Xball Lite, dare I say it?, G-D or perhaps the Brockdorff Perfect Alternative (which no one has yet thought up) [get to work, Nick :) ]

How many events?

How many teams? (And what happens to the teams that want to play but can't get in?) Do we need to create a whole interlinking regional and local structure too?

Independent officiating and oversight?

How bout strict guidelines for sponsor involvement in supported teams?

The list isn't endless but it's long so if you expect this to get done before 2007 contribute your ideas now.
I'd like to see true semi if the technology can be developed to ensure it occurs. It's a skill to shoot fast while moving, and I think players need to develop it rather than having technology do it for them. It's not that hard to learn to do!

As for format, I believe a point system will prevail over a flag system. Maybe just a button at the other end of the field that needs to be pushed to score the point?

I'd like to see 6 or 7 man rather than 5, only because I think it takes more to succeed with more players. 7 man requires teamwork and a plan, and from a spectator perspective you can often see plays develop and be excecuted on the field. I think that's exciting to see unfold from the stands rather than a bunch of bunkering....

I'm thinking back to 300FPS (derder) over any of the really well done Traumaheads, 360, etc. I played both videos in my retail store and many parents (read that as potential viewers on TV) got bored after a few minutes of watching Derder, but they'd sit down to watch the Traumahead-style games in their entirety.

With regard to leagues, I think we need to get major players from around the world (not necessarily ballers, but influential peeps like Serj, Laurent, Robbo, Youngblood, etc.), say 10-15 of them, and develop a standard format for the game. Once the format is agreed on, let each country worry about it's own leagues.

A World Cup style event should be held once a year where the top teams from each league in each country attend to decide who is the best in the world. Base the number of teams each country can send on the number of teams that play the leagues, with a cap on it for the US since we have more teams than any other country?

Reffing should be standardized worldwide. I don't think any country can support an independent ref organization except the US, but I'd like to see it happen.

Obviously this is off the top of my head thinking, so please don't bash me to hard....my head is a bit soft.
 

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Originally posted by Gyroscope
Well, based on the data sample from the One League days, pre-2003, and the Two League years since, I think it is reasonable to conclude that competition has brought a superior approach to reffing, infrastructure, and media relations. Also, I like the fruit. Jerry Braun never gave me any fruit.

Gyro, when the NPPL hit the floor running with HB 2003, it had more to do with the standard of tournies that had gone on before than as a direct result of being in competition with the PSP.

Of course this did have some effect but I honestly believe the guys in Pure Promotions were setting a new standard regardless of whatever the PSP were doing.
They raised the bar simply because they realised that to court outside interests, we needed to put on a professional show and they did just that.
If the PSP disappears I think we will still see the same rate of improvement as we have had before from the Pure Promotions crew.
I think the PSP guys certainly responded in a competitve sense over the past few years but in any new order, I believe it will be Pure Promotions who hold the reins of power in terms of promotion and 'style' of promotion.
 

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Originally posted by Robbo
Gyro, when the NPPL hit the floor running with HB 2003, it had more to do with the standard of tournies that had gone on before than as a direct result of being in competition with the PSP.

Of course this did have some effect but I honestly believe the guys in Pure Promotions were setting a new standard regardless of whatever the PSP were doing.
They raised the bar simply because they realised that to court outside interests, we needed to put on a professional show and they did just that.
If the PSP disappears I think we will still see the same rate of improvement as we have had before from the Pure Promotions crew.
I think the PSP guys certainly responded in a competitve sense over the past few years but in any new order, I believe it will be Pure Promotions who hold the reins of power in terms of promotion and 'style' of promotion.
I agree with 2003 - Pure Promotions decided what a good paintball tournament should run like, and they ran that tournament. This forced PSP to try and play catchup for the next two years.

But I think it's becoming obvious now that this isn't the dynamic anymore, especially after Miami - it's not just PSP trying to catch up anymore; PSP serves a very real function of keeping Pure Promotions honest. People in Miami wern't just saying "Man, Miami kinda sucks." They were saying "World Cup was much better than this." When you remove that point of comparison, it becomes a lot easier for Pure Promotions to pay less attention to the players and vendors in favor of trying to lock down thier TV deal money. (Not that I wouldn't do the same thing, but I think we're talking about what's in the players' interest here, not the league owners.)

I think what I'd like to see is the TV effort removed from the national league effort. I think part of the reason Miami was sub-par is NPPL has limited resources, and some of those resources were spent on TV instead of event. That's one nice thing about UAPL (doesn't impact the rest of us), and NXL. I fear that if NXL is indeed dead for 2006, PSP may have the same problem: Resources spent chasing TV that should be spent on tournaments.
 

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Originally posted by Chicago
I agree with 2003 - Pure Promotions decided what a good paintball tournament should run like, and they ran that tournament. This forced PSP to try and play catchup for the next two years.

But I think it's becoming obvious now that this isn't the dynamic anymore, especially after Miami - it's not just PSP trying to catch up anymore; PSP serves a very real function of keeping Pure Promotions honest. People in Miami wern't just saying "Man, Miami kinda sucks." They were saying "World Cup was much better than this." When you remove that point of comparison, it becomes a lot easier for Pure Promotions to pay less attention to the players and vendors in favor of trying to lock down thier TV deal money. (Not that I wouldn't do the same thing, but I think we're talking about what's in the players' interest here, not the league owners.)

I think what I'd like to see is the TV effort removed from the national league effort. I think part of the reason Miami was sub-par is NPPL has limited resources, and some of those resources were spent on TV instead of event. That's one nice thing about UAPL (doesn't impact the rest of us), and NXL. I fear that if NXL is indeed dead for 2006, PSP may have the same problem: Resources spent chasing TV that should be spent on tournaments.
I'm not so sure Miami sucked primarily because of the ESPN thingy but I agree, it wasn't up to par in terms of location and 'look' and 'atmosphere'.

I don't think PP necessarily have to put any prospective TV deals on the back burner because if any deal does come along then they'd be foolish to let the opportunity slide but they may have to take a look at how they manage the interests of both their player base and the TV production at any particular tournament.

San Diego was great and I'm sure HB 2006 will be great too, I just hope Nexus are gonna be there to witness the birth of the new world order and to also be part of it.
 

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Originally posted by Robbo
I don't think PP necessarily have to put any prospective TV deals on the back burner because if any deal does come along then they'd be foolish to let the opportunity slide but they may have to take a look at how they manage the interests of both their player base and the TV production at any particular tournament.
Indeed, the "pro paintball" person in me wouldn't mind at al if player comforts were sacrificed a bit for greater marketability for the sport. But the selfish player in my says "Screw TV, where's my fruit?" Well, maybe not fruit - I'd be more concerned with bunker cleaning crew.

PP just needs to pick some people to focus on TV, and if those people come from the event side, they need to hire more people to replace them to keep the event running up to usual NPPL standards.