Do Your Part to Help Reunification

[Iron Lions - Ed]

Gun Rules

I think ramping with 5-6 needed to cut in. Lot's of people who understand tech for checking this who I will conceed to though.

Format-

5 Man basis for everyone with a buzzer at each end. Open domestic tournaments use 5 man in current way with teams playing all on their division on a day. Aimed at new, less organised teams. Seasonal Locked Divisional Domestic tournies playing a best of 5 or 7 against a few teams in your division each month. By end of season you have played all your matches. Maybe top Div playes full X-Ball and Div 2 X-Ball Lite

International tournies - X-Ball for Pro's, Lite for Div 1 and have Div 2 for local experienced teams playing one off and Div 3 for inexperienced teams.

Do we need to create a whole interlinking regional and local structure too?

Lock the International Pro Div and Div 1 with entry based on results in an accredited domestic league. Locked leagues provided with more places as these teams should be showing a more professional approach by commiting to a whole season and thus to be encouraged. This also creates a vehicle to have domestic tournies comply with International rule set if they want to be allocated Locked Div spaces. If we assume teams want to get there they will tell their local tournies to become compliant or go elsewhere if they don't. This will also mean top Pro team need to play an accredited Domestic to get their spot adding credibilty to the Domestic scene.

I could go into a more detailed version of above with a more in depth analysis of above if anyone thinks the gist of it has any merit?

How many events?

4 Internationals on each side of the Pond to decide European and US rankings. And then a two legged World Cup at the end of the season at each side of the Pond for World Championships.


***Player Registration***

Yes in all locked domestic and International events. Make transfers take 60 days to prevent experienced players guesting for different teams on a monthly basis. Force domestic leagues to use the new Universal registration if they want to be compliant and receive spots for their teams in the locked divisions.

 

[ToxicPaintballz]

Man it should be PSP mode all the way. I like the ramp start but it shouldnt be mandatory.

 

[Chicago]

EDIT ADDED: I have pruned this thread twice. Posters will restrict themselves to responding to the thread starter. Anything else will be removed. TFP

 

[Steve Hancock]

I think a Euro style promotion/relegation system (like the NPPL) would be preferable to a US style fixed franchise system (like the NXL). I much prefer the idea of teams progressing through the leagues rather than players progressing through the teams. Might just be an old-fashioned appreciation for the idea of loyalty, but it also clears out the dead wood.

It would be nice if there was a feeder system from lower leagues. I liked the idea of allocating places to winners of local leagues (provided they comply with formats etc.)

Perhaps the first 5 events could have a division with places allocated to the winners of recent local events, and then the winners from each of the first 5 rounds, gets a place in the promotion play-offs at the last event of the season. Alternatively a number of the top ranking teams from local leagues could be promoted into a bottom division playing the whole season for promotion into the fixed divisions. Although, would local teams be able to commit to playing all the events? Might it just be better for them to get there shot when the big show comes to their neck of the woods.

Of course, a certain amount depends on the format. If it’s a match format, there is the option of having the pro's play each of their opponents once over the season, rather than throwing everyone into the mix each event (like double elimination). Coming up with a winner on an event-by-event basis would be unnecessary. Previously, you could break the competition down into seasons, events, and individual games. Individual games are too small a unit to be significant, and there are too many to provide a focus. Seasons take to long to get a result, so determining an event winner provides focus of interest and a interim sence of conclusion. However, now that the games are fewer and larger, these problems are not there, hence determining an event winner is not necessary anymore.

With 25 pro teams, they would have 24 matches each, and there would be 300 matches in total. Instead of cramming 50 matches into each of the 6 events, spread them out, with the pro's touring round more tournaments. 6 US-NPPLs, 6 Euro-NPPLs, and perhaps an event or two in other countries if you want a more truly “World Series”. Hold the Pro games in the evenings of the main tourney, so that the plebs (I know my place ) can pack up, shower, and come down for an evening of entertainment, with beer in the stands. Its also an opportunity to try and get locals down to watch the pro’s playing. Give them free entry to watch the plebs during the day and you can promote the evening’s pro games to them, and even sell tickets perhaps! And another advantage of not determining an event winner – suspense. Why do you think soap-operas always finish on a cliff-hanger? So that you’ll tune in next week. If we wrap up each event neatly, the locals that have come down to watch will have less of an incentive to tune in to the televised coverage of future events. They should leave eager to find out how it progresses, and planning to follow there favourite team for the rest of the season. You can even promote the TV coverage in the time-outs.

Oh, and we need cheerleaders.

EDIT: Ramping - yes until semi auto is enforceable, or even adaquetly defined (and don't give me that "one shot one pull" crap. You need to define a pull in terms of bounce for a start.)

Refs - v.important, perhaps a body that trains, qualifies, and checks them.

The rest - haven't time to think them through atm.

 

[sjt19]

Originally posted by Steve Hancock
Instead of cramming 50 matches into each of the 6 events, spread them out, with the pro's touring round more tournaments. 6 US-NPPLs, 6 Euro-NPPLs, and perhaps an event or two in other countries if you want a more truly “World Series”.

So between 12 and 14 events.......that over an event a month throughout the year. I dont think that any team has the resources to commit to that kind of travel and financial outlay.

 

[Missy Q]

I'd like the events to be insured with adequate liability cover for players and spectators.

If anyone else wants the same then please cross ramping software off your wish-list (why do people constantly ignore this issue? It's like you are all hypnotised or something!!).
Chicago, if you are getting the wrong reactions when talking to industry people about NPPL boards, then you are speaking to the wrong people aren't you? Shouldn't you be talking to the NPPL? The NPPL are not going to ask the industry, they will produce the boards themselves surely? In which case what does it matter who you spolke to or what their reactions were? I mean, I know its more difficult speaking to the NPPL, as they won't provide you with the freedom to basically make shxt up, but for the purposes of the exercise, I would have thought it would have made more sense. Would you go and ask Nike what the NBA are going to do next year?

And as for 3 different formats............well do I need to say anything about that?

Also remember that Xball is a trademark. The only way anyone is going to be playing 'Xball' is if Richmond wants them to. So I doubt anyone is going to be playing 'X-ball', to be fair.

I agree about Laurents Turf, he should sponsor the NPPL and that turf should be used at all events, as it's great. If we wants to sell it to the NPPL for a gazzillion dollars it's probably not going to happen though (unless the NPPL were to stop giving out free fruit, in which case they would surely have money to do this and also some spare to finance a lightning coup in Western Samoa...)

I completely agree about losing the flags, or having central flag, the "flag-walk' is one of my pet hates, and is utterly unecessary.

I would like to see an event on each continent and have a bonafide 'Pro World Tour', but that will have to wait a couple of years. I do think an Event in Asia, Europe, North America, Australia, Africa and South America would be hella cool though, provided the facilities met any book of requirements.
Safe to assume the events will be US based next year though.

And I get my bag searched for stuff in the US all the time, the UK too. Alcohol was not allowed in Miami because there were not adequate available police in Miami to be there to 'police' it (as is required by law). I doubt that will happen again, but if it was a big deal for you Chicago, you should have come to see me. I had plenty of booze!

Anyway, didn't mean to interrupt, just keep saying how ramping is the answer and thats what an integrated league should adopt. No sweat. lol!

 

[Chicago]

I don't like ramping any more than you do, but I don't see how NPPL can unilaterally impose a board solution and ahve it work. Too big of a chacne of a big, collective "Screw off!" reaction without some backing from the manufacturers.

 

[Missy Q]

I disagree, and again, I don't think the manufacturers have a lot of input. The pro teams only (in year one) get the boards and those boards are mandatory in the NPPL Pro Division. They are also entirely legal. The only reason to refuse these is, well, that you would prefer to continue cheating...
I don't think a maximum of 240 boards split between a maximum of 24 entities will present too much of a headache. If a team decides to say "screw-off" then we are talking about a maximum of 23 entities. The time to implement things that could stimulate "screw-off" comments is undoubtedly the same time as you have too many plugs for too few holes, n'est pas?
It has little of no effect on the manufacturers. Name a manufacturer that would have an issue with it, except Smart Parts obviously, they have a problem with everything. Personally I think manufacturers will encourage it, I know of several that would already...

 

[Baca Loco]

Questions for Missy Who? Oh, Q

So will these NPPL supplied boards work in any gun a Pro team wishes to use? And will they work the same in any and every type gun a team may wish to use? And even if the programming is identical won't the physical boards need to be different or is the NPPL gonna mandate a standard location and dimensional requirement of the gun manufacturers? And is it even conceivable they will all have identical programming given the different operational platforms? And if they don't isn't the NPPL creating a situation where they could easily be accused of "favoring" one brand over another? Why then would manufacturer A want to have anything to do with or financially support a league that makes their product look bad in comparison with their competitors?

And, oh yeah, doesn't this magic universal fits all software have to start with a definition of what is and isn't semi-auto to begin with? (Which, you may or may not have noticed, presently doesn't exist.)

 

[Chicago]

Originally posted by Missy Q
I'd like the events to be insured with adequate liability cover for players and spectators.

Forgot to mention, the leagues already have this. Assuming you meant to say "Adequate liability insurance to cover the leagues from lawsuits by the players and spectators."

If you meant "adequate liability cover for injuries to the players and spectators", then you don't understand what liability coverage is. Injuries to players/spectators are covered by that person's medical insurance. The league is only liable for injuries caused by their (gross, depending on state and circumstances) negligence, and that's what liability coverage is for, and the leagues already have this.

So, for example, if you're playing paintball, and your mask comes off, and you get shot in the eye, and you ask the league to pay your medical bills, they're going to say "No, this is a sports injury, you or your medical insurance should pay for it." If you disagree and sue them to get them to pay for it, their liability insurance is either going to pay for a lawyer (or 10) to defend the lawsuit (which you will lose) or pay a settlement (if they decide that's cheaper.)

Now, if the league doesn't properly anchor a netting setup, and the pole falls over on your head, your medical insurance company will probably sue the league for reimbursement of the costs, which your liability insurance will cover.

Point is, both leagues already have liability coverage. Hell, Disney won't even let VENDORS on their property without a $1 million liability coverage policy.

But no league is going to buy insurance to cover injuries received by players. Prohibatively expensive.