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SteveD

Getting Up Again
Lane,

I have been to several PSP events over the past couple of years. I have not been impressed.

The organization that you run has been tarred by a bad brush so far as I'm concerned, and always will be.

Incidents that are related to my past feud continue today - at PSP events - in regards to teams that I am associated with, so, as far as I'm concerned, nothing has changed.

If you are going to quote other people and attempt to hang it on me, you're going to have to take things in context; Furby's statement was speculative, not reporting of actual events.

Besides, the analogy you drew does not hold water. Furby does not work for me, nor do I have any influence over what appears in his writings. I'm an advertiser on his website. If I owned the website, or if I employed him, your analogy would be closer to the mark.

This whole thread started out as a discussion of the possibility of reunification, which I entered into like many others to make my opinion known. My opinion is as I have stated: I support NPPL and I don't support the other league.

I'm an old, has-been player. Why do you care? Respect for my intelligence aside, if you respect where I want to see paintball go and where I've tried to take it over the years - why don't you go there?
 
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duffistuta

Guest
A few points

1. Lane: Like the man says, what's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?.:p

2. Steve: You are obviously advertising on the wrong sites. I have some prime cyberrealestate with your name on it right here...:p

3. This is a great thread and I would hate to see it become a rehash of Steve's history with certain people. Those of us who know the story have already drawn our own conclusions one way or another and nothing said here is likely to change anything, and those who don't know, well, they are too young to count for anything anyway.;)
 

SteveD

Getting Up Again
Lane got me thinking.

Ok. I'll back off. I'll watch the 2006 season with an open mind - promise.

I'll sit back and allow the actions in both series to speak for themselves, and we'll see how far each of them goes in the following categories:

1. promoting the sport in a positive manner - as evidenced by outside media coverage, outside attendance and the wooing of non-paintball corporate sponsors

2. creating (or moving significantly in the direction of) a professional, self-regulated, independant officiating staff

3. creating and maintaining a politically unbiased, open, available for use by the outside world (on reasonable terms), player and team classification system.

4. creating, or moving in the direction of, those things necessary to found a governing body for the sport that is not unduly influenced by the corporate side of the industry

5. creating a mechanism by which the teams have a genuine voice.

6. reduction of the incestuous nature of the tournament scene in general, handled fairly, giving due credence to the enormous number of dollars that have been spent by individuals and companies; a sporting league in which the teams are owned by industry sponsors, who also own the league, who also employ the officials etc., ad nauseum just can not be taken seriously. (I'm not pointing a finger here.)

Solutions are at both camp's fingertips. Organization can be handled by an outside firm specializing in such; associated costs will probably be reduced as a result. The 'ownership' issue can be handled by buying out the corporate ownership interests or by buying out the team ownership interest and making it illegal for corps to own teams. Officials can be handled by just biting the damn bullet and doing it. At-large player commissioners can be elected to provide an appropriate level of team involvement.

I believe the above gives both leagues goals to accomplish. We'll see what happens.
 

Furby

Naughty Paintball God
Mar 28, 2002
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Lane:

First of all, I want to thank you personally for choosing 68Caliber.Com for at least part of your news fix. I appreciate the fact that your time is limited, and you feel that 68 is one of the places you go to keep yourself informed.

However, I find it a bit disturbing that you've formed such a low opinion of me, and it would appear to be based on factually incorrect information.

First of all, let me state that nothing about PSP gives me a 'hard on' for the league or the people who run it. I save that sort of thing for my wife.

Furthermore, the incident you mention that causes this alleged engorgement took place at the 2004 World Cup...nobody, and I mean nobody has that sort of stamina. Mr. Morris and I argued at length on this site about the legality of the Fly'd Adrenalin LCD that was temporarily deemed illegal at that event. From what friends in Norway tell me, he still insists to this day that the marker was 'adding shots'. I maintain that the marker was legal, and the fact that the penalty that was initially assessed against my team was later reversed, and our points given back to us as proof positive that Rosie and whomever else was involved in that decision that the marker was legal. Or at the very least, it couldn't be proved illegal, especially since nobody but Mr. Morris and the player who was using the marker at the time of the penalty ever actually shot it. During my meeting with Rosie directly after the penalty was assessed, I asked him repeatedly to shoot it to see for himself, and he refused to do so. Yet I later overheard conversations between him and others stating that "There's a problem" with the Shocktech field (The one Mr. Morris was running).

Moving on, the allegation that I'm pursuing an agenda to 'take down' the PSP via negative reporting is laughable. If you genuinely believe that I have that power, then you've got larger issues in life that might need to be dealt with. I don't have the power to take anyone down, nor do I have the desire to. The only power I have is to tell the truth as I see it, and considering the level of in-person support and written support from players who populate your league as well as others would indicate to me that telling the truth is preferable to the pre-packaged PR that we in the media are often spoon fed, such as the latest releases from NPPL and your organization.

I also want to thank you for verifying that Market Access Corporation is the agent for your insurance. When I spoke with the gentleman who owns that company last year, to ask him if he was aware that the ASTM doesn't consider ramping to be an approved mode of fire (ASTM only recognizes 1 shot 1 pull 'true' semi), he very adroitly avoided answering any questions I had, and in fact refused to confirm or deny that PSP was a customer of his. Once I figured out I was going to run into a brick wall on that story, I let it drop, since I couldn't find verifying information.

As for Mr. Drew, I honestly barely know him as a person. I have castigated him at length on my radio show for allowing the programming on his boards to be used in an illegal (per most leagues rules) fashion. To this day I don't understand what fathomable use a debounce setting of under 4 would have in a structured environment like a tournament, which has rules. After actually meeting him in person and talking with him a bit, I understand a bit more now. Jim Drew is an engineer. Based on my years as a Aircraft Instrument Technician, I know that when you're talking to an engineer, it helps is you're on their same intellectual level, or you're able to at least fake it well. While Drew may have made a mistake in how he set his filters up in the original WAS boards, I don't think it was ever his intent for them to be used to cheat with. However, that's my opinion based on what little I know of the man's personality. I understand that Mr. Drew is on the ASTM board, and that the issue of ramping was on their agenda. I don't know at this time how the voting went, but given your negative opinion of Mr. Drew, I would assume that the voting to allow 15bps Ramping as a viable, "safe" mode of fire for general use in PB didn't go the way you wished.

Lane, let me make myself crystal clear: during the course of this crusade you allege me to be involved against your league, I've given your PR people as well as Rosie himself opportunity to respond to allegations leveled at your league by whomever was leveling them before publication on my website. In every instance, that opportunity wasn't taken. I'm not going to take your hand and write responses for you. That's not what I do. Furthermore, I would also like to make it clear that I could care less on how you feed your family. If the PSP in fact supports your family, then I would imagine that you would be hell-bent on producing the best product for your customers, the players, rather than worrying about what some writer has to say about it. In the end, that's all I am. Nothing more, and certainly nothing less.

I would also like to make clear my relationship with Mr. Davidson. We are indeed friends, and I've known him for several years. At this time I am a sponsored player. I personally and my team receive support from him and X.O. Industries to practice and play at major events. I would also like to add that I have similar relationships with Dennis Ashley at Centerflag Products, all of the Angel Force Master Techs, as well as Mondo and Rosey Garcia at Animal Paintball. In no case have any of these people ever expressed dissatisfaction with how I represented them, and in fact several of them were the loudest amongst the ones supporting me and my team during the incident you mischaracterized at the 2004 World Cup. I would like to add that at that event, we were not involved with X.O. at all, and were shooting ZAP Chronic Paintballs.

And finally sir, several people within your organization have my contact information, so you have no excuse whatsoever for waiting over a year to complain about an alleged crusade on my part. Using that improvable and fallacious fantasy as a way to try and discredit a sponsor of mine is well below what your reputation would suggest.

However, I do happen to agree with you on at least one thing: Baca Loco does indeed rock.
 

Missy Q

300lb's of Chocolate Love
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you see I strangely different to Furby in that I agree with almost everything Lane says EXCEPT that Baca rocks, does that make me a bad person?

And Lane, you are a good guy, and I have never heard differently. I know that everyone in both camps has nothing but respect for what you, Rosie and Keely accomplish. Good luck with your series and I sincerely hope that I get to work with you one day soon. I think that would be a great thing for everyone in Paintball. That may not be a universally held opinion, but it is mine.

ps - I'll pay you back soon for the weave remark...:D
 

Baca Loco

Ex-Fun Police
Originally posted by Missy Q
1--you see I strangely different to Furby in that I agree with almost everything Lane says EXCEPT that Baca rocks, does that make me a bad person?

2--And Lane, you are a good guy, and I have never heard differently. I know that everyone in both camps has nothing but respect for what you, Rosie and Keely accomplish. Good luck with your series and I sincerely hope that I get to work with you one day soon. I think that would be a great thing for everyone in Paintball. That may not be a universally held opinion, but it is mine.

ps - I'll pay you back soon for the weave remark...:D
1--a woman scorned ... :p

2--now see, this part kind'a confuses me 'cus I'm pretty sure you told Chi-town you weren't part of the NPPL or PP so if the leagues do eventually unify how would you end up working with Lane? :confused: Concessions, perhaps? :D
 

Baca Loco

Ex-Fun Police
Attributed to Furby
For example–"every single PSP event has had players knocked unconscious due to having balls shot into a players head at the same location repeatedly."
Without wishing to pick sides--especially as I'm currently so popular (This must be BizzaroWorld :D )-- it seems the one item you didn't address was the accuracy of the quote cause it appears to be pretty inclusive. No doubt is was an oversight as you did such a thorough job on the rest.
 

Robbo

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Ain't blowin' smoke up anybody's ass (I don't actually have to) but Lane is one of the very few lights in an otherwise cynical, dark industry we inhabit.

There are some in this industry I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw Baca but Lane's word I would trust 110%.
Without doubt, one of the nicest, most honest people I have ever had the pleasure to be friends with.
When he says 'good morning' to you, you don't have to run to the nearest window to see if the sun is still in the sky.
And what's even more amazing, he's unbelievably smart considering he's a frikkin hillbilly :)
 

PSPLane

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Originally posted by Furby

I would also like to make it clear that I could care less on how you feed your family. ............

......... Using that improvable and fallacious fantasy
It's late. I'm jet lagged. I've had a drink or two. And even without those hindrances, I am operating with barely a high school diploma from the South Georgia school system.

So I won't pretend to have understood even half of those big words you used.

But, the two quotes above stood out to me.

The first one is just a bit sad.

And for the second one - if you ever say I have fantasies about fellatio again, we're gonna have some real problems. It only happened once. I was asleep and therefore should not be held accountable. I woke up - spit - brushed - flossed (twice) - gargled with Listerine (the real stuff, not that water down mint flavored crap) and went through a complete counseling course with a board certified doctor. What more could a guy do? I would appreciate it if we all let bygones be bygones.

And Pete, thank God the people in the "park" don't know the difference between and ISP and an IUD. If the rest of the clan read about this I'd be in a real fix. Unlike with Duffy and his crew, things like this ain't so easily forgotten around here. One bad dream and banjos, pig calls ..........

Steve - I question whether #5 is reasonable, and I have no idea what #6 means (refer to my educational challenges), but if you are sincere, I think you will be happy to see that the other things are being addressed aggressively as we proceed. Hell, I might even be doing something about #6. I don't know.

And, Steve, I do sincerely respect your thoughts on things. Not always your idea of the right way of gong about things, as I interpret them. But, for the most part, I believe we see the goal similarly.