Changes to P8ntballer?
- Thread starter Baca Loco
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Alright, grasshopper
We see more and more posters from all over all the time. Many new US posters are coming on board. I'm not convinced Tournament is Brit dominated. I'd think it's US/UK Split with a share of Swede and Dutch.
Most people I talk to give different reasons for not posting here. Namely because they feel they will get jumped on by the cliques or abused for their opinions. They don't always feel so free to post what they want to. Not sure why. Oh and that's not just Brit people I talk to, it's a large bunch of US players also.
manike
How do you know this? I don't agree with it.
We see more and more posters from all over all the time. Many new US posters are coming on board. I'm not convinced Tournament is Brit dominated. I'd think it's US/UK Split with a share of Swede and Dutch.
Most people I talk to give different reasons for not posting here. Namely because they feel they will get jumped on by the cliques or abused for their opinions. They don't always feel so free to post what they want to. Not sure why. Oh and that's not just Brit people I talk to, it's a large bunch of US players also.
manike
Alright, grasshopper
This is an INTERNATIONAL forum that has a strong British accent and is a strong part of its appeal and charm. Whenever there's a strange Britishism that comes up the peeps here are polite and translate it for us.
This site may not be perfect but it is by far the best of its kind. Don't screw it up!
STeve
"Somebody"= Americans. That's what's wrong with us, dude! Because we're so big and dominant we expect the whole world to do it our way and they usually do it. That keeps us so friggin' provincial (like our stupid measurement system, etc.).Originally posted by Baca Loco
Reality is whenever somebody new takes a look around and sees predominately Brit postings they ain't sure the Forums are relevant to them or that they'll be welcome. And that's not the Brits fault and they shouldn't be deprived in any way but reasonable efforts ought to be made to welcome new peeps.
So combine some changes in mod philosophy, add a couple of Forums, post new rules and get on with it--or not. Like I said, I got's no power here to change anything--except of course the force of my wit and intelligence.
This is an INTERNATIONAL forum that has a strong British accent and is a strong part of its appeal and charm. Whenever there's a strange Britishism that comes up the peeps here are polite and translate it for us.
This site may not be perfect but it is by far the best of its kind. Don't screw it up!
STeve
Okay, I understand now, but, I'm afraid I still disagree because I don't think it will draw out any more Americans. I think you'll have to divvy it up to, Regional, NPPL, GWS, all that stuff. As you know, there are so many of us, and so many leagues, and blabbity-blah, if our U.S. brothers and sisters are afraid to post because of some Europeans, then I feel they'll be equally as discouraged by such a wide-open U.S. forum.
Plus, it's also a personal thing, I suppose. My concern is that it'll discourage the international sharing of ideas on that particular forum. I believe that, that's the essence of what Steve, Buddha, and I are debating for.
Plus, it's also a personal thing, I suppose. My concern is that it'll discourage the international sharing of ideas on that particular forum. I believe that, that's the essence of what Steve, Buddha, and I are debating for.
Thanks, Simon.
I've also heard the excuse,"I'm not smart enough to post on there!" Although partially in jest, some people I talk to feel out of their depth. Here, let me readdress the need for a b.s. forum. I know p8ntballer's not for catering to the lowest common denominator, but if you want numbers, maybe that's where to find 'em. Hell, put up a poll, and I assure you that, "intelligent converstaion" is the selling point for this forum. Look at any, predominately American, forum, and see how juvenile it is. Rancid, I've asked you many times in the past, "Are you sure you want more Americans?"
Alright, grasshopper
Let's deal with "Americans" for starters. More U.S. players than the rest of the world combined so where's that fact reflected here? You clearly have issues with being American which is fine but irrelevant.
It's international by default only. If I had that strong an accent I would have been born in Manchester.
The real issue is what best serves the operators of the site and is it 4K members after 2 plus years? Or is it 40K members?
Think for a minute, Steve, what impact your passionate, hammer and tongs posts would have if this place had 40K members. You want to make a difference and have an impact then get more people in this place!
While I'm at it maybe what we need are a number of "gateway" Forums to attract a truly international membership. So if not my suggestions then what?
And Simon--Tournament Forum was TOTALLY dominated by Brits until changes were made in posting rules for that Forum which I mentioned in a prior post and just because it isn't dominated any more doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement. The real issue is none of you view my suggestions as improvements--which is fine. You're entitled to be wrong.
Y'all keep leaving out the parts of my argument you don't want to deal with.
Let's deal with "Americans" for starters. More U.S. players than the rest of the world combined so where's that fact reflected here? You clearly have issues with being American which is fine but irrelevant.
It's international by default only. If I had that strong an accent I would have been born in Manchester.
The real issue is what best serves the operators of the site and is it 4K members after 2 plus years? Or is it 40K members?
Think for a minute, Steve, what impact your passionate, hammer and tongs posts would have if this place had 40K members. You want to make a difference and have an impact then get more people in this place!
While I'm at it maybe what we need are a number of "gateway" Forums to attract a truly international membership. So if not my suggestions then what?
And Simon--Tournament Forum was TOTALLY dominated by Brits until changes were made in posting rules for that Forum which I mentioned in a prior post and just because it isn't dominated any more doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement. The real issue is none of you view my suggestions as improvements--which is fine. You're entitled to be wrong.
Don't compare me to the PSP please. It's not that I'm against change, or fear competition. Far from it. Unlike what the PSP has done, I HAVE considered the options you described, and found them wanting.Originally posted by Baca Loco
For purposes of the current crop of posters I don't disagree with ya, my gigantic Dutch bro, but pardon me for saying you are giving me the PSP defense. "Hey, works for me." The question is what can be done, if anything, to make the Forums MORE inviting to as wide a selection of 'ballers as possible. After all, that's certainly what the big R is looking for. P8ntballer should be a gateway to the magazine and an adjunct to regular readers--a bonus if you will for those who want to take advantage of it. In less than a year registered membership has more than doubled but is that fast or good enough? Maybe, maybe not.
1--No divide, it's just the more high-minded threads would be in "Speak" instead.
2--Not advocating a different forum for every marker or individual countries or regions. Just think there might be a better way to invite new folks in.
3--see response to number one and then you could justify more rigourous moderation in a "serious" pball forum.
For Steve--an internal combustion engine that doesn't use steam? What's the point? Steam works just fine.
1- No divide? What the hell? You were talking about a North American part, and a rest of world part. That's not only a divide, that's elitist!
2- There probably are better ways to invite folks in. But I don't think your vision is gonna do that.
Why would high minded posts have to go to brains? If it's a tournament subject, it's fine where it is. Matter of fact, Brains is non-typist, as in it's there for both the tourney baller and the recballer. Tournament clearly isn't. So even high minded posts concerning tournament paintball, should be in tournament (the title says it all). Could be though that I completely misunderstand what you mean by high minded, but I doubt that.
Oh, and perhaps we ARE the internal combustion engine, and the other forums are the steam ones. Perhaps we get the better standard going on here, because the way the forums are set up at the moment, not despite of it. Seems like you are now looking to change things for the sake of change. More and more interesting people seem to find their way to these forums, so we must be doing something right. Perhaps we do have a relatively high threshold, but is that bad per se? It keeps a lot of garbage outside. Look at most other popular paintball forums, they got nothing on us. The ones with the lowest threshold are also the ones with the biggest piles of **** in their posts. I think you'll agree that a board frequented by people who are willing and able to wade through some of the long posts that we put up, tends to be more informative than one where every thread resembles the now infamous chat room thread.
I completely agree with cutting back on the places the cliques get to clique in though. But that's a whole other point than the one I said "no" to. I said no to the divide you were proposing.
That's just stupid. Just because people accepted one change, doesn't mean another one will go equally easy. Tournament had little or no rules as far as content was concerned, neither did announcements. Now they do, and the rules make sense. If you are to imply the divide between US and rest of world paintball as you proposed initially, sure, people will have to accept it, and posts will be made in their appropriare places, but you will see less and less post from Euro types in the US section, and vice versa. And that stinks. Because that is what at the moment makes these forums THE place to be.
Alright, grasshopper
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What parts did I leave out?
[Comment wasn't directed at you, you big galoot.
How now, Ghost Cow. ][Hey, you said y'all...you just slightly less big galoot.
Who ya gonna call? Ghost busters!]