Barrels

[ices]

Doesnt a longer barrel influx more friction on the ball hence slowing it down more?

I heard that somewhere but knowing me i forgot its link

I thinks its the way your eyes perceive things with different barrels.
Everyone has different visual capability.

When i aim i look down the barrel and i lift it up a bit, just above the target(if it is beyond a straight shooting rage) and then i shoot and i find no probs with this or with any kind of barrel lengths.
I like the barrels on the LCds best due to its dimensions.

You do it by trail and error.
I wouldnt go for a big barrel coz can u imagine being in a tight spot with it on ya marker?
eeek

 

[Hotpoint]

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Originally posted by Robbo

Giving up ????
Don't confuse 'giving up' with 'can't be bothered'.
If you can't see the absolute lunacy in suggesting pros don't use 16 in barrels because they are somehow less tight even though they may shoot (in your mind at least) more accurately, then I can say no more.

And as for you putting words into my mouth regading 'lesser being' , I never said it, never meant it, never implied it.
That was a cheap shot !!!

Well you are obviously "bothered" or you wouldn't have replied. Whilst it seemed to me that you did imply that I lacked credibility because of a lack of "expertise". How else would I interpret that?

I apologise if I misinterpreted or offended but you were the one that made the issue personal from my side of things by attacking me not what I said

Offers to Shake Hands and continue debate amicably

BTW for the last time I am not saying that 16" barrels will magically fire more accurately I am saying that it is easier to line up on the target if the first two points on the aiming line are further apart. Try it if you don't believe it... and if you do believe it what are we arguing about since we both agree the range issue is a Red Herring?

Now I am not saying that people cannot aim accurately with short barrels, it is just EASIER to sight accurately with a longer one. I know you don't like the dots on paper experiment but you can't dispute the truth within it surely?

 

[Al Woods]

As the man Collier says 'effective' range is getting to be the issue here.

You can fire a more consistent set of balls over a particularly long range easier and more 'effectively' with a longer barrel. Shorter barrels tend to either add excessive wing to the ball and provide a shorter drop off point, from what I can gather from using 12/14 and 16 inch barrels. This doesn't really make a blind bit of difference on smaller fields or to the loony point players who are usually on top of eachother anyway but to us support chumps it can make just enough difference to keep us happy.

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Al Woods
As the man Collier says 'effective' range is getting to be the issue here.
You can fire a more consistent set of balls over a particularly long range easier and more 'effectively' with a longer barrel. Shorter barrels tend to either add excessive wing to the ball and provide a shorter drop off point, from what I can gather from using 12/14 and 16 inch barrels. This doesn't really make a blind bit of difference on smaller fields or to the loony point players who are usually on top of eachother anyway but to us support chumps it can make just enough difference to keep us happy.

Al, I have no idea where you get your information from but it's quite simply wrong, false, misinformed whatever and if you wanna know why companies make different length barrels......ask yourself and you will find the answer...get it?
Do spoilers on XR3's make a blind bit of difference on how fast they go ?
No, of course they don't but do they sell ?
Of course they do and why ?
As I said, ask yourself !!!
Robbo

 

[Robbo]

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Originally posted by Hotpoint
Well you are obviously "bothered" or you wouldn't have replied. Whilst it seemed to me that you did imply that I lacked credibility because of a lack of "expertise". How else would I interpret that. I apologise if I misinterpreted or offended but you were the one that made the issue personal from my side of things by attacking me not what I said
Offers to Shake Hands and continue debate amicably
BTW for the last time I am not saying that 16" barrels will magically fire more accurately I am saying that it is easier to line up on the target if the first two points on the aiming line are further apart. Try it if you don't believe it... and if you do believe it what are we arguing about since we both agree the range issue is a Red Herring?
Now I am not saying that people cannot aim accurately with short barrels, it is just EASIER to sight accurately with a longer one. I know you don't like the dots on paper experiment but you can't dispute the truth within it surely?

OK, I'm glad we agree there is no intrinsic difference in accuracy between barrels of 12, 14 and 16 inches.
Now, you say, that a 16 inch barrel lends itself more easily to lining up which in itself would make the whole act of firing with a 16 inch barrel more accurate...well, the reasoning is sound but the practicalities are false since fro the most part, pros don't use the barrel to line up.
They use the line of paint and are looking at where the paintball ends up and not using the line of the barrel in any way.
I have never looked down the barrel for a line, I always use the paintball line and hit points and this is why I said in an earlier post, 'the ballistics are so different from traditional shooting'.
There is no way you could track the bullet unless you were firing tracers but with paintball, you can not only track the line, you can also track the hit point and thereby adjustments to trajectory are made from this data and not barrel angle.
Robbo

 

[Hotpoint]

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Originally posted by Robbo

...Now, you say, that a 16 inch barrel lends itself more easily to lining up which in itself would make the whole act of firing with a 16 inch barrel more accurate...well, the reasoning is sound but the practicalities are false since fro the most part, pros don't use the barrel to line up...They use the line of paint

Always nice to know my reasoning is sound... I hear it said so infrequently

Hey it's not just Pro's who correct via the line of paint the rest of us do so too. But I do aim the first round if possible just in case I can get them before they realise they're standing in the wrong place... worth a try at least surely?

The practicalities may be false from your perspective but not from everyones. Some people really do sight along the pipe and there are even some that use red-dot sights (I'm not one of them)

 

[Urban]

I seem to recall reading somewhere that there is an optimum barrel length that aids accuracy, providing the barrel/ball fit is tight, and anything over that, with all other factors being equal (i.e. paint, wind, etc) has no effect on accuracy

I think the length specified is something like 9".

Anyone tell me where I read this? Warpig maybe? Can't remember.... but I do seem to recall thinking at the time that the Freak Inserts aren't 9" and therefore the the Freak Kit would be sacrificing accuracy over the "8-in-1" convienience.

Urban

 

[Robbo]

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Originally posted by Hotpoint
Always nice to know my reasoning is sound... I hear it said so infrequently
Hey it's not just Pro's who correct via the line of paint the rest of us do so too. But I do aim the first round if possible just in case I can get them before they realise they're standing in the wrong place... worth a try at least surely?
The practicalities may be false from your perspective but not from everyones. Some people really do sight along the pipe and there are even some that use red-dot sights (I'm not one of them)

Well we might actually be homing in on the truth of the matter here at last because I accept that not all people sight along the paint line but what I am saying is, the people who play this game the best do (for the most part).
The fact that many people use the marker inefficiently is no justification for any principles of aiming.
The most accurate form of shooting is and always will be (with a paintball marker) using the line of paint and hit points.
So to tie this back in with what we have been debating, if we assume the pros have the best techniques (which I'm afraid we have to whether you like it or not) and since the pros track the ball line and hit points, then we can conclude that a 16 in barrel is no more accurate than a 12 inch accepting of course, we are talking about the most efficient and accurate playing of the game as exemplified by top end players.
Which if you read back thru my posts was always my assertion.
Robbo

 

[fierce]

Long barrels are really better, but only for your sup'air obstacle. At some point it doesn't matter for accuracy if your barrel is 14, 16 or 16 inch long

 

[Al Woods]

How funnay are the number of 're' s at the top your posts big guy.

Anyway, I'm only really going off what I have noticed whilst playing. My 16 seemed a lot more reliable for one balling and took less adjusting the direction of my line of paint. As you say there aren't many dudes that actually line up the barrel like a frickin sniper that often, for the most part of it we kinda know whereabouts you need to hold your marker to send paint in a specific direction.

BUT, but but but....if anyone evr asked me what barrel length I'd recommend for a support player to use I'd still have to say a 16. The main reason I changed to a 14 was so I could get in smaller bunkers without getting stuffed on the end of my barrel AND it is a happy medium. I don't believe ANYONE would want to opt for a 16 because they look better because smaller barrels always look way better than super long ones and I think everyone agrees with that.

Spoilers on cars?? Yes they are their for show but on decent cars they're their for a reason as seen with the Audi TT. That was produced without a spoiler but they had to recall them because they had a tendency to spin off the road due to lack of downforce on the rear end and guess what they did.......you guessed it, they fitted spoilers to them, which look ugly as f*k by the way.