Barrels

[Hotpoint]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Disagree bro

Originally posted by Robbo


Since you are quoting an experimental set-up, you must be telling me that a 16 inch barrel is more accurate than a 12 or 14 inch.
Now in my experience (16 years) shooting every type of barrel, I have never and I mean never found this to be the case.
Theoretically, it doesn’t take much to work out that the main determinant in accuracy is the paint.

If you have a large (comparatively) error factor of ball manufacture (and therefore accuracy), how the hell can u determine relatively much smaller differences in barrel length accuracies ?

If 16 in barrels were more accurate than 12 or 14's, don't you think the pros would all be using them ?
Well, they don't coz they aren't.

Hey I'm not saying Paint is not the main factor determining accuracy (it clearly is) I was just pointing out that you will clearly get a better aim with a longer barrel although actually a 12" tube with a length of stick taped to it (accurately) would work just as well it's just that the aesthetics would be pretty dire

It's not the barrel Robbo it's the pilot. With a hell of a lot of practice you can place balls pretty well regardless of the A-B length it's just that if you do aim you will clearly get a better line with the aiming points further separated (prove otherwise)

Additionally as to your notion that if long barrels were more acurate pro's would use them this is not necessarily the case. Because of the playing styles of many pros (ie playing tight, and snap-shooting rather than bombarding the opposition) the utility of a shorter tube would outweigh any slight advantage in aiming

Now whilst the way you play may not favour a 16" pipe stuck on the end of your marker does not mean that somebody with a different style would not benefit from it.

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Jones the Paint Magnet
Aren't we confusing two separate issues on accuracy here?

I'm not confused at all; it is impossible to assess the relative accuracies of barrels without using paint, hence the need to discuss paintball anomalies in manufacture and their effect on accuracy !
Not confusing at all !!!
Robbo

 

[Robbo]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Disagree bro

Originally posted by Hotpoint


Hey I'm not saying Paint is not the main factor determining accuracy (it clearly is) I was just pointing out that you will clearly get a better aim with a longer barrel although actually a 12" tube with a length of stick taped to it (accurately) would work just as well it's just that the aesthetics would be pretty dire
It's not the barrel Robbo it's the pilot. With a hell of a lot of practice you can place balls pretty well regardless of the A-B length it's just that if you do aim you will clearly get a better line with the aiming points further separated (prove otherwise)
Additionally as to your notion that if long barrels were more acurate pro's would use them this is not necessarily the case. Because of the playing styles of many pros (ie playing tight, and snap-shooting rather than bombarding the opposition) the utility of a shorter tube would outweigh any slight advantage in aiming
Now whilst the way you play may not favour a 16" pipe stuck on the end of your marker does not mean that somebody with a different style would not benefit from it.

Hmmmmm, your comment about pros forsaking accuracy for a tighter profile, I think sums up your limits of expertise and credibility !!!
End of discussion !
Robbo

 

[Hotpoint]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Disagree bro

Originally posted by Robbo

Hmmmmm, your comment about pros forsaking accuracy for a tighter profile, I think sums up your limits of expertise and credibility !!!
End of discussion !
Robbo

Giving up. That's not like you surely?

As to credability, I may not be a Pro which may mean that in your eyes I am a lesser being but you cannot simply dismiss my point about aiming by just ignoring it

Paintball is not surely just about shooting. If it were I'd be Pro (I'm a good marksman with otherwise crappy playing technique). If you can disprove what I said without recourse to "I've been playing 16 years" please do so

Accuracy is a combination of factors. I'll buy your notion that paint consistancy is the most important of these but aim must be of some importance too (even if it is much less so)

 

[Robbo]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Disagree bro

Originally posted by Hotpoint
Giving up. That's not like you surely?
As to credability, I may not be a Pro which may mean that in your eyes I am a lesser being but you cannot simply dismiss my point about aiming by just ignoring it
Paintball is not surely just about shooting. If it were I'd be Pro (I'm a good marksman with otherwise crappy playing technique). If you can disprove what I said without recourse to "I've been playing 16 years" please do so
Accuracy is a combination of factors. I'll buy your notion that paint consistancy is the most important of these but aim must be of some importance too (even if it is much less so)

Giving up ????
Don't confuse 'giving up' with 'can't be bothered'.
If you can't see the absolute lunacy in suggesting pros don't use 16 in barrels because they are somehow less tight even though they may shoot (in your mind at least) more accurately, then I can say no more.

And as for you putting words into my mouth regading 'lesser being' , I never said it, never meant it, never implied it.
That was a cheap shot !!!
Robbo

 

[Al Woods]

Pros don't use 'em??

I find it hard to believe pros don't use 16 inch barrels, in fact I KNOW a lot of pros, particularly the yanks, opt for the longer barrels. I aint undermining your Robbo-ness, I'd never want to try and dull the sheen your persona has (kiss kiss) BUT I believe you are wrong on that one big guy.

Some of the Avalanche players, particularly the likes of Lemanski, use a 16 and some of the AAs, not sure which ones, do too. in fact on one of the newer Traumahead vids, think it's World Cup 2001, one of the AAs is using a freakin 21 inch barrel. Why???? Maybe you should ask them, range issue maybe??? 10 man fields??

If there was no need for different barrel lengths then surely the manufaturers wouldn't waste time and money in making them.

 

[Robbo]

Pros don't use 'em??

Originally posted by Al Woods
I find it hard to believe pros don't use 16 inch barrels, in fact I KNOW a lot of pros, particularly the yanks, opt for the longer barrels. I aint undermining your Robbo-ness, I'd never want to try and dull the sheen your persona has (kiss kiss) BUT I believe you are wrong on that one big guy.
Some of the Avalanche players, particularly the likes of Lemanski, use a 16 and some of the AAs, not sure which ones, do too. in fact on one of the newer Traumahead vids, think it's World Cup 2001, one of the AAs is using a freakin 21 inch barrel. Why???? Maybe you should ask them, range issue maybe??? 10 man fields??
If there was no need for different barrel lengths then surely the manufaturers wouldn't waste time and money in making them.

Al, no disrespect mate but you need to go back to physiscs class, I mean, range issue ???????????????????????????
Purrleeease !!!!!
Pete

 

[Al Woods]

OK

I know you been in the game looooooads longer me and most people on this board and I aint gonna try to undermine that but I still feel that a long barrel will have, as small as it may be, some effect on the trajectory of the ball. Like I said earlier Evel Knievel wouldn't use a short ramp to jump the grand canyon when a longer one would help ease his bike into the eventual launch.

I use a 14 because I find it a happy medium. Skidder uses a 12 coz he like to get right up in their faces so ranging aint an issue for the lad, when I had a go with a 12 I found the ball to wing slightly, not a whole lot but still, it did and I couldn't get a consistent spread from distance.

Would you recommend back guys using 12s??

 

[NIALL]

The longer the barrel the easier you can manipulate a inflatable bunker and peep more easily whilst staying tight.. Sod all to do with accuracy or image.

 

[Collier]

Re: Pros don't use 'em??

Originally posted by Robbo


Al, no disrespect mate but you need to go back to physiscs class, I mean, range issue ???????????????????????????
Purrleeease !!!!!
Pete

I think Al is refering to effective range again.

Paul.