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OK Gyro, thought it was the usual comment on site owners ripping off rental customers by making massive profits off paint. Every couple of months we seem to get a comment along the lines of site owners should be charging rental customers the same as tourney players pay, or at least very little more, as everything they make on paint over the cost price is profit.
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Matski, I think you are right to highlight the longevity of any consistent assault that is possible by an English team because it may, as you suggest, whittle down to a single English entity but I think the mid to long term prospects of Nexus are gonna be influenced by things outside of whether or not we can compete.
But the fate of English paintball isn't gonna be measured by the success of a single team like Nexus or whoever, it may act as an inspiration but we need to broaden our horizons if we are to gauge what's best for English paintball.
One half of me wants to do it within the arena of the NPPL and the other half of me realizes our playing arena should be in Europe with an annual World Cup, it's just more natural to do it this way but it may be a little premature, politically speaking that is.
But all the time the relevant bodies can't get their unified act together, all this present situation accomplishes is an enormous strain on the best teams England (and Europe) has to offer.
As for ramping, or rather putting that particular genie back in the bottle, if the Millennium are to harbour any hope of affiliation with the NPPL then they are gonna have to grasp that nettle pretty damned quick.
Originally posted by matski
I agree with you entirely that here and now a team does not have to be the very best here to go over and compete in the states, all have equal right to be there. However in terms of the future, it's all about natural selection in the pro div, only the best will survive. For a team to stay in the top nppl div, and hopefully progress, will require them to step up a gear. Both can compete, but in the long-run something has to give...maybe it will be the one that becomes most consistent for example, as you suggest is needed. But it will show over here, unless all improve at the same rate..
Having spoken to people who have followed your games throughout, I know how well Nexus are playing. Infact everyone says the improvement is very noticable. I didn't suggest you'd been getting your asses handed to you for a second mate, why would I when I know differently. The context was that for many years, generally, teams have wasted money going to the states when they were not ready for it.
On your last note.. maybe more decisions could get made if certain people would take the ramping padlock off the door
Matski, I think you are right to highlight the longevity of any consistent assault that is possible by an English team because it may, as you suggest, whittle down to a single English entity but I think the mid to long term prospects of Nexus are gonna be influenced by things outside of whether or not we can compete.
But the fate of English paintball isn't gonna be measured by the success of a single team like Nexus or whoever, it may act as an inspiration but we need to broaden our horizons if we are to gauge what's best for English paintball.
One half of me wants to do it within the arena of the NPPL and the other half of me realizes our playing arena should be in Europe with an annual World Cup, it's just more natural to do it this way but it may be a little premature, politically speaking that is.
But all the time the relevant bodies can't get their unified act together, all this present situation accomplishes is an enormous strain on the best teams England (and Europe) has to offer.
As for ramping, or rather putting that particular genie back in the bottle, if the Millennium are to harbour any hope of affiliation with the NPPL then they are gonna have to grasp that nettle pretty damned quick.
I hope everyone believes me in that I am NOT trying to flame anyone or disrespect anyone. I just have to bring to light something that needs to be pointed out.
While there are 3 UK teams, at least 2 of them got spots by using alot of players from other countries. Nexus consisted mostly of the Russian Legion at the San Diego event and without the placement there would not have made the cut. London Tigers used a team made up of mostly All American players (I believe) for a few events at the end of the season as well.
Having said that, both teams are keeping up in the ranks, so they are making a good showing in the pro ranks, but to say that they got there on the backs of UK ballers is a bit of a misnomer.
While there are 3 UK teams, at least 2 of them got spots by using alot of players from other countries. Nexus consisted mostly of the Russian Legion at the San Diego event and without the placement there would not have made the cut. London Tigers used a team made up of mostly All American players (I believe) for a few events at the end of the season as well.
Having said that, both teams are keeping up in the ranks, so they are making a good showing in the pro ranks, but to say that they got there on the backs of UK ballers is a bit of a misnomer.
We used Russkies for only the last event and up until that time were still in a qualifying place, with the last event being a freak with soo many high class teams involved that had no intention or no chance of qualifying, I fail to see the point you are making here and it's a point that floundered as soon as you look at Nexus’s standing at the moment (10th place with NO cheat boards) with totally 100% Nexus players this year.
I think that says it all.
That's why I added the part about the standings in the ranks. I've been a big fan of Nexus since the beginning and even owned a Nexus cocker basically because I knew it was a good gun and I like to fly the Nexus flag when I can.
For some reason I thought Nexus was out of qualification before the last event, and the Russians saved that. I believe Nexus belongs up there (especially with the quality of play this year). I just thought the point should be made that it wasn't neccesarily all borne on UK shoulders.
Again, no disrespect meant.
None taken Knobbs, but as to your point regarding Nexus sailing a little too close to the wind just before the last event, yeh we sure were and I do agree that without the help of the Russkies in San Diego, we would have been risking it for sure but that event was so unique in terms of number of high class teams who could affect our position and they themselves having no chance of qualifying that I would have been an idiot to allow that situation to affect my team's chances to qualify for this year.
And that's why that London to Moscow call was made.
If we had been floundering near the bottom this year, then I think I would have no leg to stand on with regards to any criticism leveled against me or my team but even playing our 'B' game for most of the tourneys this year (and non-cheating markers), we have still managed a 10th place.
If I can just get that last piece of the jigsaw in place, we will be Sunday clubbing it from then on.
Let’s hope I ain’t chasing rainbows here
Sorry to digress, Robbo, but you keep mentioning those non-cheating guns. If this is such a key factor, is it possible that the NPPL's attitude to firing modes/ gun enforcement needs rethinking? I understand that you view fast shooting as an important skill, and I will concede that in an environment of well enforced semi- only, fast fingers would be critical. I just wonder if you feel now, farther along in the season, that the PSP approach to firing modes offers a more fair contest to teams.
It seems as if the NPPL, for all the lofty goals, is failing to actually bring about true semi-auto.
It seems as if the NPPL, for all the lofty goals, is failing to actually bring about true semi-auto.
I tell you this much, when my guys get back from the States, I get a debrief about what went down and how it went down and I keep hearing about how difficult it is to compete unless we use cheat chips.
Now it may be my guys are feeling it a bit too much and it's not really impacting that much on our results but it must be having some effect.
I have gone on record and will do it again in saying I will have NOTHING to do with designer cheats on any of our markers..
As for the NPPL doing the right thing?
I think they are trying yes but technology is ahead of them and unless we can grow a pair of balls and just aim these cheating mofos off the field on a judge's decision (instead of having to be backed up by technological test-fest and make the penalties so severe) we are gonna get nowhere.
In this environment, it seems as though the PSP is having more success in lowering the cheat threshold.
Rules committees it seems are slow to react, slow to realize the severity of situations, influenced far too much by the industry and have testicular attendance problems.