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[Robbo]

Originally posted by Sid
Robbo.........Has someone put a bet on with you as to how many times you can say English in one thread

Sid - when the Jocks stop supporting England's rivals I can become a Brit
Until that time mate, I'm English !

 

[Sid]

awe c'mon

And when the English realise we are not Jocks and we are indeed Scottish then maybe this will end eh?

I support Nexus, ffs I have a signed Nexus top in my cupboard, I wear a NeXus top when I train, i went to X-Ball Trials and NeXus, hold on....sound like a stalker!!! What I'm trying to say is despite the National divide I wanted to play for the best, never happened, but I still have respect for them, and the other Pro Teams kickin it in the NPPL........

And you want us to stop supporting Englands rivals....cool....I'll do that when you lot stop talking about a World Cup 66.......looks like this is a tie then

Sid

Scottish and Proud.....

And if Andy Piper gets wind of this thread then my cover might be blown

 

[Red Ring Inflictor]

Originally posted by sjt19
There arent many players using gun cheats to achieve rates of fire above 25bs....Also, the cap at 15bps in semi only would be a good idea, but have you ever shot a gun with a 15bps cap on it? Its impossible to get over 12bps unless you have unbelievably fast fingers due to the limited trigger scans on the trigger activity...A cap of 15 would see few people shooting more than 12 bps legally.

When checking speeds with a shot counter at tournaments where the PSP mode was being used I found a whole lot of guns that were shooting right at the limit, assuming that the shot counter was accurate (which I do). I also think that there are enough players shooting in an uncapped environment in excess of 25+ to make the playing field un-level and unfair. I know players who often shoot in excess of 30+ whenever they can now and also did so last season.

I guess we just need more collected hard evidence in this matter to state something conclusively.

 

[Robbo]

awe c'mon

Originally posted by Sid
And when the English realise we are not Jocks and we are indeed Scottish then maybe this will end eh?

I support Nexus, ffs I have a signed Nexus top in my cupboard, I wear a NeXus top when I train, i went to X-Ball Trials and NeXus, hold on....sound like a stalker!!! What I'm trying to say is despite the National divide I wanted to play for the best, never happened, but I still have respect for them, and the other Pro Teams kickin it in the NPPL........

And you want us to stop supporting Englands rivals....cool....I'll do that when you lot stop talking about a World Cup 66.......looks like this is a tie then

Sid

Scottish and Proud.....

And if Andy Piper gets wind of this thread then my cover might be blown

Did we win the World Cup in 66 ????
Wooo hoo
I'd nearly forgotten mate....unfortunately I remember oh too well, sitting in me front room sulking coz Jimmy Greaves wasn't playing

Anyway Sid, I'm always open to reconcilliation and if you can only keep Mak that side of the wall and Rod Stewart from ever bringing out another song...and I will begin the process of healing

As for Piper, well you are Scottish, I am English and Piper is Hungry...I think that says it all

 

[Sid]

Damn it!!!!

Mak was NOT part of this deal!!!!!

Rod I can make a quick phone call...mak however.....well, he is a law unto himself mate......

Sid

 

[tiger jedi]

Originally posted by Parksy
Not to take anything away from the achievement of 3 UK teams being in the NPPL Pro bracket but the year of play which led to this closing of the Pro division was pretty sparsly presented by teams wasn't it?

There were teams concentrating on x-ball etc who could most likely have finished above some of the teams who qualified?

That being said though that isn't exclusive to knocking out just UK teams, just significant in that there would be teams in there that wouldn't have made the cutoff.

One thing I have noticed though is that for all we only have 3 Pro teams in the NPPL compared to the yanks (even before the cutoff was brought in) there are other Euro countrys with significantly less Pro teams representing there countrys??!! Other euros prefering to play div 1, again this was before the cutoff.

Even if you look at the Millenium scorecards teams playing the 'Champions League' are not teams who were representing there respective countrys at the NPPL at Pro level.

Maybe we have stepped up more than our Euro counterparts and just haven't realised!!

This is where you pick wholes in what I have just said Pete

I think if i recall Tigers, Nexus & Shockwave were all concentrating on x-ball & played all Xball events. We even played Campaign & Vegas at the same time & still made it in. There were US teams that concentrated only on NPPL & still didnt make it inc Bad Company who have big Sponsorship. I agree with Pete The NPPL Pro bracket is the Hardest 7 Man League in the world, lets not forget that Phillys came 8th & Strange came 20th in the SEMI-PRO Braket at the last NPPL, thats how hard the league is.

What you should be saying is Tigers, Shockwave & Nexus still made it despite the tiny player pool, Lack of Sponsorship (approx 20% of the Americans if we are lucky), hugh Travel bills (Approx 400% more than American teams), NO gun cheats etc etc.


Just my opionion & yes i am biased

Woz

 

[Ben Frain]

Originally posted by Robbo
I tell you this much, when my guys get back from the States, I get a debrief about what went down and how it went down and I keep hearing about how difficult it is to compete unless we use cheat chips.
Now it may be my guys are feeling it a bit too much and it's not really impacting that much on our results but it must be having some effect.
I have gone on record and will do it again in saying I will have NOTHING to do with designer cheats on any of our markers..
As for the NPPL doing the right thing?
I think they are trying yes but technology is ahead of them and unless we can grow a pair of balls and just aim these cheating mofos off the field on a judge's decision (instead of having to be backed up by technological test-fest and make the penalties so severe) we are gonna get nowhere.

In this environment, it seems as though the PSP is having more success in lowering the cheat threshold.
Rules committees it seems are slow to react, slow to realize the severity of situations, influenced far too much by the industry and have testicular attendance problems.

Sorry to bring back this point as the thread has moved on. However, Mr Robinson/Nexus/NPPL Pro peeps, I'm curious...

When you talk of cheat board do you mean specially programmed cheat boards - i.e. the sort that have break out modes and secret full auto etc

OR...

Do you just mean any marker that adds shots?

Reason I ask is that as far as I am aware there are very few markers in mass production now that don't have some sort of debounce filter (read shot adding facilty) including, for example, Ego's (I think??).

I suppose my question is actually, how bad are the cheats that you are up against in the NPPL pro league specifically? As opposed to all the 'factory' cheats that markers ship with these days?

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Ben Frain
Sorry to bring back this point as the thread has moved on. However, Mr Robinson/Nexus/NPPL Pro peeps, I'm curious...

When you talk of cheat board do you mean specially programmed cheat boards - i.e. the sort that have break out modes and secret full auto etc

OR...

Do you just mean any marker that adds shots?

Reason I ask is that as far as I am aware there are very few markers in mass production now that don't have some sort of debounce filter (read shot adding facilty) including, for example, Ego's (I think??).

I suppose my question is actually, how bad are the cheats that you are up against in the NPPL pro league specifically? As opposed to all the 'factory' cheats that markers ship with these days?

Ben, I mean any board that has programmed into it any firmware that allows more than one shot per trigger pull.
I know the teams who have break out modes in the NPPL, most people do, it sickens me that every time we go up against them I know my guys have got to run the gauntlet of cheating ass markers before their break out mode defaults to their normal cheat mode

 

[Sid]

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Robbo,

Surely if you can see it the refs can see it and the ultimates??

Bring back Sterling STP mate......no software with those bad boys!!!!!!

Seriously though, can the organisers not be warned before the game to watch these teams and ban them??

Sid

 

[Robbo]

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Originally posted by Sid
Robbo,

Surely if you can see it the refs can see it and the ultimates??

Bring back Sterling STP mate......no software with those bad boys!!!!!!

Seriously though, can the organisers not be warned before the game to watch these teams and ban them??

Sid

Sid, but this is the utter bull**** irony I am going on about here, the refs can see one of the World's best teams all run out on 'Game on' shooting the crap outa my guys with what is obviously illegal markers but then some little smart ass jerk comes up and says, 'seeing is not enough, you have to prove they are and we haven't got the technology and so we can't catch or penalise them'.

Bull !!!
If we allow the judges to call if for a wipe, then let's give them the discretionary powers for adjudicating an illegal marker and be done with all this bollocks.
All the time we try to hook up illegal markers with the technology of entrapment, we are sunk without trace.
We need to trust the judges or alternatively trust the cheats not to cheat.....it's a no brainer for me Sid.
I know it's not a perfect solution, I never said it was but it is the lesser of evils and if we back it up with really stringent penalties and actually hand them out, it's just gotta be better than the present situation.