air lines! its time to change.
- Thread starter outkast iain
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Just as there are different plastic hoses, there are different braided hoses.
Question: are there any paintball markers that exceed 900 psi from the bottle to the gun.
If not then the fittings and hose i supply will cope with all markers, SAFELY
I can understand the reluctance to trust plastic hose and push in fittings but let the figures do the talking.
Question: are there any paintball markers that exceed 900 psi from the bottle to the gun.
If not then the fittings and hose i supply will cope with all markers, SAFELY
I can understand the reluctance to trust plastic hose and push in fittings but let the figures do the talking.
Well, I know that many preset tanks when fully filled can have an output as high as 1,100 psi when it's set to 850 psi. So yes, there are tanks that will put out a pressure much higher than 900.
it may help...... from now on I will insist that all members of my team keep their goggles on when fillling their tanks........I started doing it as soon as you had your accident..now a team rule.
Can you identify the preset systems that go to 1100 psi, i will test them out. The sysytem that i am marketing as with all pneumatic fittings and will have a safety margin of 3 to 1. This means that the burst pressure will be around 2700 psi, so there is a good safety margin above 900 psi, but it is worth testing on each system.
I have taken the fittings and hose to 3000 psi before a failure occured, which is good news for us, as it's our lives we are playing with.
I am not the manufacturer of these fittings, so i don't have a vested interest in the product, my interest is in safety for us, the paintballers. i am happy with ratings, and see these fittings as a revolution (excuse the pun) for painrball.
I have taken the fittings and hose to 3000 psi before a failure occured, which is good news for us, as it's our lives we are playing with.
I am not the manufacturer of these fittings, so i don't have a vested interest in the product, my interest is in safety for us, the paintballers. i am happy with ratings, and see these fittings as a revolution (excuse the pun) for painrball.
Toma,
I had a word with H-pac at this weekends Midland Masters and because of there experience in the compressed gas told me a point i think we should raise.
Ok your sorce of air on your gun has a burst disc or should have!!
now if that go's wrong or its been replaced by a non approved or rated disc, The pressure if the reg fails going into your gun could be as high as 4500 psi.
Now i know some guns have another reg before it enters the marker but some DONT !!, So if that pressure enters the marker what happens.
Well what happend at a mm event was some tosser who did not know what he was doing put a old air system (3000psi) onto someones gun and also replaced the burst disc with something non standard now the air system because of something he did was not regulating the pressure at all so as the owner was at the H-pac stand filling the said bottle all the pressure was going past the reg entering the gun.
The hose and fitting's did not fail but the gun did- The marker in question in front of five people including the H-Pac guys blew up.
The guy who was filling it had the gun pointing down and when the pressure got to about 2000psi the front of the gun exploded and it impaled it self into the ground less than a foot from his own feet, If the guy had holding the gun barrel up i dread to think what could have happend to paintball if that hit him in the face.
So what do we do, Insist all guns have a safety burst disc fitted in line after the first reg or can we say we will make the weakest part of the gun the hose!!!.
I do not mean the fitting's that they attach to but the hose itself because if we don't, And we do not have a burst disc protecting the gun - Please re-read what happened above.
Russ
I had a word with H-pac at this weekends Midland Masters and because of there experience in the compressed gas told me a point i think we should raise.
Ok your sorce of air on your gun has a burst disc or should have!!
now if that go's wrong or its been replaced by a non approved or rated disc, The pressure if the reg fails going into your gun could be as high as 4500 psi.
Now i know some guns have another reg before it enters the marker but some DONT !!, So if that pressure enters the marker what happens.
Well what happend at a mm event was some tosser who did not know what he was doing put a old air system (3000psi) onto someones gun and also replaced the burst disc with something non standard now the air system because of something he did was not regulating the pressure at all so as the owner was at the H-pac stand filling the said bottle all the pressure was going past the reg entering the gun.
The hose and fitting's did not fail but the gun did- The marker in question in front of five people including the H-Pac guys blew up.
The guy who was filling it had the gun pointing down and when the pressure got to about 2000psi the front of the gun exploded and it impaled it self into the ground less than a foot from his own feet, If the guy had holding the gun barrel up i dread to think what could have happend to paintball if that hit him in the face.
So what do we do, Insist all guns have a safety burst disc fitted in line after the first reg or can we say we will make the weakest part of the gun the hose!!!.
I do not mean the fitting's that they attach to but the hose itself because if we don't, And we do not have a burst disc protecting the gun - Please re-read what happened above.
Russ
I posted the same worry about two months back........asking if a blown hose or taking 4500 in the internals was worse.......and I got flamed by someone who thought he knew better.......... My view was a blown hose is nasty, 4500 in the marker is a harpoon gun and concussion grenade in one.
So which is actually worse?
How about keep the hoses and insist on goggles on at every single fill?
I started doing that when Ian had his accident, I will be insisting that my team do it too.
Will this work?
Low pressure hosing and goggles on at the fill station?
opinions? particularly from Ian, Russel and H-pac
So which is actually worse?
How about keep the hoses and insist on goggles on at every single fill?
I started doing that when Ian had his accident, I will be insisting that my team do it too.
Will this work?
Low pressure hosing and goggles on at the fill station?
opinions? particularly from Ian, Russel and H-pac
Unfortunately people will play with fire, the points you have raised are valid. Pvi had it right, when they made the shocker for smart parts. They included a blow off valve on the reg, set to blow off around 50 psi above the operating pressure of the gun, but this was in the days when there was lees complacency about markers.
If you went to the extreme and a 4500 psi reg failed and passed that pressure through to the gun then someone would probably die, or loose a limb. Ive been looking at an in line blow off valve, and hope to have a working system pretty soon.
Guys keep the questions coming, this is how we get problems cured.
Tom.
If you went to the extreme and a 4500 psi reg failed and passed that pressure through to the gun then someone would probably die, or loose a limb. Ive been looking at an in line blow off valve, and hope to have a working system pretty soon.
Guys keep the questions coming, this is how we get problems cured.
Tom.