A must read - PA rule change for the 2005 season
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Oh and I bet no-one uses gun cheats anymore after this... 
Not as if there is no cheating with the guns in the NXL now either...
But it does make a more level playing field.
Not as if there is no cheating with the guns in the NXL now either...
But it does make a more level playing field.
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ollytheosteo
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Just a few questions from a less PA centred point of view...
If these new rules become the PA standard and are applied to all UK tourney play, will all UK tournaments have easy access to sufficient numbers of the necessary devices used to test on-field ROF? Are these gadgets expensive compared to a standard chronograph? Are they proven accurate and reliable enough to justify a ban? And will every series in the UK be prepared to make the investment of having at least one per field?
Secondly, if this protocol becomes the UK standard as it easily could, will it apply to all markers in the UK (as a "law") or just to those used in competition (as a rule). Does this mean that UK law is going to recognise and control markers from now on? Or just that we will remain in the same grey area we currently occupy and the HO will allow us assisted fire?
Lastly, what about the non-competition players out there? I know, I know, no one gives a **** about rec-ball and big games, but will they be expected to allow 15bps assisted fire as well?
Personally, I'm leaning towards DB's point of view- wheras before we had 14 players in a game shooting around 10-12 bps whilst ****ing furiously over a bps counter that read 18 with only the occasional freak actually getting anywhere near that speed, we will now have 14 players shooting 15bps with no skill required to get there. Not so bad for those leagues where the skill level is high enough that games don't last long, but just think, if everyone is crap enough to manage 60 seconds of actual fire per game, that's three boxes per team per game from now on every time you play an event.
I'm definitely organising a pump competition this year. I will pwn you all with my l33t Sterling skillz. Apparently.
Does anyone fancy trying stock class?
If these new rules become the PA standard and are applied to all UK tourney play, will all UK tournaments have easy access to sufficient numbers of the necessary devices used to test on-field ROF? Are these gadgets expensive compared to a standard chronograph? Are they proven accurate and reliable enough to justify a ban? And will every series in the UK be prepared to make the investment of having at least one per field?
Secondly, if this protocol becomes the UK standard as it easily could, will it apply to all markers in the UK (as a "law") or just to those used in competition (as a rule). Does this mean that UK law is going to recognise and control markers from now on? Or just that we will remain in the same grey area we currently occupy and the HO will allow us assisted fire?
Lastly, what about the non-competition players out there? I know, I know, no one gives a **** about rec-ball and big games, but will they be expected to allow 15bps assisted fire as well?
Personally, I'm leaning towards DB's point of view- wheras before we had 14 players in a game shooting around 10-12 bps whilst ****ing furiously over a bps counter that read 18 with only the occasional freak actually getting anywhere near that speed, we will now have 14 players shooting 15bps with no skill required to get there. Not so bad for those leagues where the skill level is high enough that games don't last long, but just think, if everyone is crap enough to manage 60 seconds of actual fire per game, that's three boxes per team per game from now on every time you play an event.
I'm definitely organising a pump competition this year. I will pwn you all with my l33t Sterling skillz. Apparently.
Does anyone fancy trying stock class?
I find myself playing more and more pump lately.
Got a really sweet J2... but I digress.
I do think this will level the playing field but I wish it didn't have to happen.
I guess eventually our sport will split into different levels/sections of play.
I don't mind playing at high rof with people that are responsible but I hate it with idiots that don't know how to control themselves.
I think you may get a lot of people with firepower and responsibility that was previously beyond their means.
Got a really sweet J2... but I digress.
I do think this will level the playing field but I wish it didn't have to happen.
I guess eventually our sport will split into different levels/sections of play.
I don't mind playing at high rof with people that are responsible but I hate it with idiots that don't know how to control themselves.
I think you may get a lot of people with firepower and responsibility that was previously beyond their means.
finnally you have got it. standard.
needs to be nxl style 3 shot to bad boy royness.
this helps with saftey on field and off and means no trigger adjustment to make unsafe gattage.
you will get complaints with bonus balling though. but i say screw them, cause if you give it, you gotta take it.
fro'dham
needs to be nxl style 3 shot to bad boy royness.
this helps with saftey on field and off and means no trigger adjustment to make unsafe gattage.
you will get complaints with bonus balling though. but i say screw them, cause if you give it, you gotta take it.
fro'dham
its an absolute joke, im one of the lucky ones in pb that has got fast fingers and can rip that trigger (ok maybe i cant rip it 15 bps constant but i can rip it blooody fast) and its going to be ruined by either me being pulled cos im shooting too fast or me being shot by some newb blind shooting with some bouncy ramping 15bps gat!
if the rule in enforced, take this as an example, 1 player from each side of say an zipper, some guy sticks his gun over the bunker to shoost the guy on the other side, and bam, there he has it 15 balls in the top of his head from 12 inches away, and with hard paint, that’s gonna bloody hurt
if the rule aint in enforced, some1 shooting from 12-16 bps on and off, snap in snap out, swap sides blah blah blah then goes for the mug and puts his gun into the head on another player he aint gonna let rip 15 bps. lets be honest, he will stick 10 shots at the absolute maximum. Which in my eyes will still hurt but wont do me as much harm as the 15 bps constanly ripping for the 3 odd seconds im being mugged
i understand maybe limited rates of fire to 15 bps to stop ramping and bounce getting out of hand but assisting the slow and noobs so they can shoot 15 bps constant, now thats just obscene!
ive heard Nordic series are doing a similar thing and also heard quite a few teams have turned around in protest saying they will no play the event unless they get rid of that stoooopid rule!
i totally understand that the bounce and ramp situation has become very hard to police, but there must be other ways!
i actually think shoosting fast is a skill of the game, if ure gonna be using these expensive gadgets to bring in this stupid rule, why not jsut use a robot to check every gat to make sure its squeaky clean (to human movement)
ive heard peeps say to me "oh it will make the game faster and easier to watch" but i remember another post on paint that said it would be impossible to run thru such speeds of 15bps strings of paint coming at ya, so what does that mean, 7 v 7 and all hiding behind the back centre bunker cos they cant move out otherwise u will almost certainly get shot.. gee we gonna have a whale of a time!
and to end my rant, its gonna make pb even more expensive to play the it already is!
if the rule in enforced, take this as an example, 1 player from each side of say an zipper, some guy sticks his gun over the bunker to shoost the guy on the other side, and bam, there he has it 15 balls in the top of his head from 12 inches away, and with hard paint, that’s gonna bloody hurt
if the rule aint in enforced, some1 shooting from 12-16 bps on and off, snap in snap out, swap sides blah blah blah then goes for the mug and puts his gun into the head on another player he aint gonna let rip 15 bps. lets be honest, he will stick 10 shots at the absolute maximum. Which in my eyes will still hurt but wont do me as much harm as the 15 bps constanly ripping for the 3 odd seconds im being mugged
i understand maybe limited rates of fire to 15 bps to stop ramping and bounce getting out of hand but assisting the slow and noobs so they can shoot 15 bps constant, now thats just obscene!
ive heard Nordic series are doing a similar thing and also heard quite a few teams have turned around in protest saying they will no play the event unless they get rid of that stoooopid rule!
i totally understand that the bounce and ramp situation has become very hard to police, but there must be other ways!
i actually think shoosting fast is a skill of the game, if ure gonna be using these expensive gadgets to bring in this stupid rule, why not jsut use a robot to check every gat to make sure its squeaky clean (to human movement)
ive heard peeps say to me "oh it will make the game faster and easier to watch" but i remember another post on paint that said it would be impossible to run thru such speeds of 15bps strings of paint coming at ya, so what does that mean, 7 v 7 and all hiding behind the back centre bunker cos they cant move out otherwise u will almost certainly get shot.. gee we gonna have a whale of a time!
and to end my rant, its gonna make pb even more expensive to play the it already is!
correct, most people can't shoot 15+ bps, so you now want to give effectivly everyone that ability? without even trying?
currently if you are running down the field mugging someone its unlikey you'll be shooting too fast, you're proposing giving people easily obtainable "full auto" for very few trigger pulls. as alot of people said, there's guna be some very sore and very P****d off people about.
Also, i assume you're going to totaly scrap the penaltiies for over-shootiung someone? we've been done for over-aggressive and i think the guy had 7 shots or summin on him, guna be a dam site more than that now, and very hard to not overshoot people.
Going back to the guns question. All i know is that some guns currently can't be set to have a max BPS without turning the eyes off. yes i'm sure it can be done, so you're now saying we have to all send our guns back to who made them to get them to change the software? and of course it wont be free + cariage both ways. and i'm sure most people wont like having hundreds of guns back in one go.
you'll also be making an already expensive sport more so by the huge volumes of paint people will be using.
Also, i think Ollie touched on this, what happens when we want to use our guns where they dont allow this? or overseas ect, whats going to happen then?
This kinda thing will totaly change peoples games, getting used to using these cheats, and then not being able to use them will not help our teams chances in tourneys without cheats.
and whats all this leveling the field nonsence. surely being able to shoot fast and keep your aim or run and shoot fast is a skill, which will now not be learnt. do you see snooker players using laser guides or something for example? no.
probably you are going to need some kind of robot + radar thing to say when the ramp kicks in, why not spend teh ££ on one to route out the cheats, not just allow them.
All this is going to do is effectivly legalise the current cheats...that is good in some peopes eye ( not mine ) and is only any good untill someone thinks up a new one that will give some edge over your rules and your tests cant spot, after all, why do you think the current cheats were made?
anyway, i'm sure there will be more from me later
Your analagy is different and not what this is intended to level.
This is intended to stop the cheats having such an advantage. Does anyone in snooker cheat to guide how they shoot the ball?
Shooting fast and aiming while running is a skill, and I would also rather it was kept.
But shooting and aiming with a cheater gun is easier. Some people have it now, some don't. That's not a skill. That's what it will level.
