A must read - PA rule change for the 2005 season

[Russell Smith]

Originally posted by Booti
just a thought here

can i assume that a marshall will have to stand behind a player to use this radar counting device to count the BPS


Out of interest ....how the hell do i cap the ROF on a cocker (E1)

The device that is being tested ( and nothing will change until we can police what we set)should be able to check any marker as long as it can "hear it".
Some of the technology used includes:

A sensor that converts a sound wave to an electrical signal.
A low noise amplifier that raises the signal to a useable level.
Signal processing electronics for feature extraction and waveform capture.
Microprocessor, and DSP based parallel distributing processing instrumentation.
Knowledge-based software for easy analysis.
Decision and feedback electronics to utilize the infomation.

Yes the above is from the product tech sheet , but it "sounds" as though it could do the job


And as for capping your E1 - why would you want to.


Russ

 

[Gups]

Originally posted by Booti
just a thought here

can i assume that a marshall will have to stand behind a player to use this radar counting device to count the BPS

if so, while you are trying to stay tight to a bunker, how will the marshalls feel about having 15bps coming straight at them while the player is ducking in and out and the oppostion are posting him

Indeed! And will this radar counting device be as reliable when pelted with 15bps from the opposing player and will the marshal be able to read it's display with 15bps across his lenses? Maybe as well as hard head protection we should look at reinforced lenses for marshals?

And with no further penalty other than elimination from that particular game, will the refs allow that gun back on the field for the next game, and the next etc even tho they have proved it to be ramping/bouncing aboove 15bps? And as only one player could be checked at once (assuming this equipment is expensive and there will only be one per field) it won't take someone long to realise that all 7 players could shoot 25bps plus on the breakout and only one might be caught for exceeding the bps limit, and that's if the radar device is at your end.... oh hang on someone did just think of it....and i'm sure all these techy types can think of far more ways to work the system than a computer illiterate housewife...???

Just pointing out that this WONT stop cheats...

 

[Gups]

Originally posted by Russell Smith
The device that is being tested ( and nothing will change until we can police what we set)should be able to check any marker as long as it can "hear it".Russ

So you will have to get pretty close as often 2 players share a bunker and may even be shooting out of the same side of it, one standing one kneeling/squatting. What if the 2 players were using the same make of marker and so the sound wave produced is the same pattern for the 2 markers...it may get confusing? Also would the radar device 'double-up' the rof for a cocker..one for the shot and one for the re-cocking noise?

I wonder how long it will be before paintball marker programmers realise they can add a small transmitter, programme in a 'white noise' ouput signal to cancel out the waveform of every fourth shot to make it appear that they are shooting 15 when they are shooting 20 etc? Excuse my poor description and wrong terminology, i'm not a physicist but i know this technology is widely used, for instance in ear defenders. I'm sure someone will adapt it.

 

[LATHAM]

I don't think that a lot of you realise that this rule is intended to allow people to play when they've paid as a customer. As it stands now you could pay your entrance then get some marshal who just happens to be able to make your gun bounce and what happens then? You could find yourself on your way home without even playing!!

I've spoken to Russ and this is one of his concerns. The way the rule stands at the moment the people who are getting caught are the little people who just want to play, but may not have their gun setup correctly. No one with any sort of designer cheat has ever been caught in the UK as far as I know.

Last year I shot an ex Kapp Timmy and didn't get pulled once even though this thing was nuts! Now I don't know if it added shots but I do know I've never been able to fire that fast before! Yet who was getting pulled up at the chrono stations, yep thats right the guy who can't shoot that fast but who's gun will bounce when you slowly pull the trigger? Yeh and who's gonna do that shiz during a game?

I think that for the UK this is a step in the right direction. Everyone keeps comparing this to motor racing so how come the best and most hard fort motor racing is always the series where everyone uses the same cars/bikes. It's cos then its all down to the guy who's the best! I think this rule will allow really good players who don't just rely on their fast fingers to shine through.

Stop practicing sitting in front of the TV walking the trigger and start learning some style and technique!

Laterz

 

[Steve Hancock]

Ok

How about the pa goes out and buys a set of 14 markers for each field (call it 15 for a spare) 4 fields = 60 markers

Then you turn up and get handed a marker to play with. How does that sound?

Oh hang on, 60 markers hmmm doubt that's going to affordable. Unless we all use tippys/infernos

 

[Booti]

Originally posted by Russell Smith


And as for capping your E1 - why would you want to.


Russ

So that there is no way you can eliminate me from a field for going over the 15bps limit

Surely this is why everyone will be looking to get them capped

 

[Collier]

IF the rules comes into force then I have no doubt that companies like planet will flash your board accordingly....

 

[chrismrgn]

Originally posted by Steve Hancock
Ok

How about the pa goes out and buys a set of 14 markers for each field (call it 15 for a spare) 4 fields = 60 markers

Then you turn up and get handed a marker to play with. How does that sound?

Oh hang on, 60 markers hmmm doubt that's going to affordable. Unless we all use tippys/infernos

This will also ruin the paintball kit manufacturers market, if no one is buying markers as they asr beign supplied!

If your marker is capped at 15bps, most top end manufacturers such as, WDP, WGP, Dye, Bob long etc, will simply stop making gd fast markers and they will make markers that can just bounce/ramp you up to the magical 15.

 

[stongle]

Originally posted by chrismrgn
This will also ruin the paintball kit manufacturers market, if no one is buying markers as they asr beign supplied!

If your marker is capped at 15bps, most top end manufacturers such as, WDP, WGP, Dye, Bob long etc, will simply stop making gd fast markers and they will make markers that can just bounce/ramp you up to the magical 15.

And the PA is like the worlds biggest market for markers?????

Get real.

The worlds biggest market for markers is the land of blowing the living sh*t outta each other with uncapped full auto. Mostly on a Rec-ball field.

 

[chrismrgn]

Originally posted by stongle
And the PA is like the worlds biggest market for markers?????

Get real.

The worlds biggest market for markers is the land of blowing the living sh*t outta each other with uncapped full auto. Mostly on a Rec-ball field.

LOL well ok its not the greatest point!
Would these "noise pickeruppers" be able to tell the difference between 14bps and 16bps ACCURATELY when there are 14 other markers on the field??
If not then pple will just limit their marker to just over 15bps and so on and so on until no one cares anymore