A must read - PA rule change for the 2005 season
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The rate of fire can be worked out in any string of more than four shots.
I/we will not be going silly on that point, a lot of people can do more than 15bps on a snap for a few balls so we will be setting the minimum balls required to something that is useable.
Russ
Originally posted by peegee
You see my point though russ. me and baker pretty much just shoot Guns all day
peegee
Get a real Job
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I never knew Beaker was such a trend setter. maybe someone should clued Steve Morris in sooner.
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OK, one direct question to Russ and/or Hatts - what's the state of play with this and the Home Office and/or Police? Who are we talking to and at what level.
After being told turbo is ilegal all these years is a bit of an about face on their behalf.
the f*cking cheek of it...Originally posted by stongle
I never knew Beaker was such a trend setter. maybe someone should clued Steve Morris in sooner.
OK, one direct question to Russ and/or Hatts - what's the state of play with this and the Home Office and/or Police? Who are we talking to and at what level.
After being told turbo is ilegal all these years is a bit of an about face on their behalf.
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In response to Nicky T's earlier comment:
Hmmm, I tend to look at this argument a bit like traction control and other driver aids on cars.
It may make you look good / reduce your chance of dying, but they don't make you a better driver. In fact driving with these aides actually requires you to adapt your driving style or end up just as dead without said aides.
The same is true with the ramping. It may level the playing field as far as ROF goes, but players who suck or fail to adapt will still be easily shot out. Giving all players the same ROF advantage surely benefits the better all round player. Initially the result maybe more stalemated games, but eventually teams and players will have to think round this. This ruling moves the skill onus of the game away from use of immense firepower to other skill sets and is a catalyst for change. Firepower can only be an edge when one team has more of it!
Enforcing true robot verified semi only is going to do 2 things.
1. catch a lot of players with bouncing / stacking guns, so many it would be farcical
2. promote the usage of cheat boards with hidden activation codes.
This proposal has positive safe area implications, removes the requirement for uncontrolled cheating (F/A at 20+ bps is dangerous) and allows players some choice in gun set-up still. So few players can hit and sustain 15, the much greater majority benefit from this rule.
I'm not too sure what the pie & mash has anything to do with it Nick, I've always been more a fan of curry. Perhaps it's all the artificial colourings?
Love you really Beaks (in a non-gay way of course, don't want you getting over excited).
In response to Nicky T's earlier comment:
Hmmm, I tend to look at this argument a bit like traction control and other driver aids on cars.
It may make you look good / reduce your chance of dying, but they don't make you a better driver. In fact driving with these aides actually requires you to adapt your driving style or end up just as dead without said aides.
The same is true with the ramping. It may level the playing field as far as ROF goes, but players who suck or fail to adapt will still be easily shot out. Giving all players the same ROF advantage surely benefits the better all round player. Initially the result maybe more stalemated games, but eventually teams and players will have to think round this. This ruling moves the skill onus of the game away from use of immense firepower to other skill sets and is a catalyst for change. Firepower can only be an edge when one team has more of it!
Enforcing true robot verified semi only is going to do 2 things.
1. catch a lot of players with bouncing / stacking guns, so many it would be farcical
2. promote the usage of cheat boards with hidden activation codes.
This proposal has positive safe area implications, removes the requirement for uncontrolled cheating (F/A at 20+ bps is dangerous) and allows players some choice in gun set-up still. So few players can hit and sustain 15, the much greater majority benefit from this rule.
I'm not too sure what the pie & mash has anything to do with it Nick, I've always been more a fan of curry. Perhaps it's all the artificial colourings?
Quoted the Duffinator for the truth.
While y'all are bemoaning this and that the point of the proposed rule change is to help make PB something like real sport with defined, enforceable rules and fair competition for all.
Besides, from the sound of their posts here Russ and Hatts are open to alternative ideas--it's just that nobody seems to have any. While it may or may not be true that you guys have yet to be getting heaping helpings of Gun Helper technology over there it's coming and will soon overwhelm you if efforts aren't made to deal with it now.
As an aside to Beaks--Ian, the reason you don't hear the illegal guns listening to NPPL games is 'cus they's ALL doing it and you can't here any differences.
(For NPPL fans and ITN that was slightly tongue in cheek but in reality despite all the good intentioned efforts of the NPPL the guns are outta control.)NXL boards--at least the SP variety--can easily be set to non-NXL semi-only mode.
Nicky--not you too? Say it ain't so. In a perfect world it would be nice if the "skill" of sustained shooting fast was included but it's hardly a game breaker. The reality is though that most of the peeps complaining wouldn't be nearly all that without the modern guns and there's lots of other skills still in play and when players are capable of bringing them to bear in a 15 bps universe the game hasn't lost anything important.
Besides, the way I read the tentative rule the PA will require constant trigger pulling to maintain/sustain rate of fire and that will still require players to be able to keep pulling trigger, running and aiming at same. So, not hugely different--just more paint spraying around.
As to the business of overshooting--depends on your definition but get used to it. It's not as bad as some of you think but it can be unpleasant. But as it stands that's hardly an indictment of the NXL alone--there's plenty of loving going on in the NPPL as well and there it's intentional.
EDIT ADDED: Good post, Glen. On target.
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The state of play at the moment is quite close to the end and at that point we can tell all.
We via the UKPSF (Steve Bull) have talked to the person at the home office who deals with paintball and fully explained everything he needs to know, he knows we police ourselves very well and it seems he will support our outlook.
As for turbo being illegal, that was because the older turbo guns when they went into turbo mode they also ramped the fps, So we banned them ourselves before they found out about it and banned paintball.
The UKPSF has a very good relationship with the home office and it is Steve Bull who must take all the credit for that.
Russ
Beaks,
The state of play at the moment is quite close to the end and at that point we can tell all.
We via the UKPSF (Steve Bull) have talked to the person at the home office who deals with paintball and fully explained everything he needs to know, he knows we police ourselves very well and it seems he will support our outlook.
As for turbo being illegal, that was because the older turbo guns when they went into turbo mode they also ramped the fps, So we banned them ourselves before they found out about it and banned paintball.
The UKPSF has a very good relationship with the home office and it is Steve Bull who must take all the credit for that.
Russ