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Re: Steve...

Originally posted by sjt19
Speaking for the majority of English teams that played every MS event other than Sweden, the majority of teams decided not to go to Sweden because the event was not as good as the others as the fields were much smaller, and were lacking back bunkers.
Erhh.. this is really none of my business, but how can you say that most English teams didn't play Joy Masters this year because of the small fields? How did you know what size the fields where going to be? Am I missing something here?
 

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Re: Re: Steve...

Originally posted by DMZ Hasse
How did you know what size the fields where going to be? Am I missing something here?
i was told by a lot of people in the run up to sweden that the fields the year before had been really small, with no back barricades, i guess those people expected it to be the same...and they were right
 

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Again, let me remind you, that field size has now been standardized for the Millennium Series (30 x 55 meters).

Field layout may be another matter, and I think Magued's fields were great. I think he is one of the better designers of aggressive fields that are fun to watch and play.

Obviously my opinions.

Steve
 

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You are right Hasse

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
That makes no sense - nobody knew until we turned up.
I knew that the fields were gonna be small beofer i even flew out to Sweden, and i also knew that there would be a distinct lack of back barricades. As did the rest of the Uk teams that played every event before sweden, but did not go to Sweden for that very reason. Even the paint sponsors knew sweden would be a low consumption event, as they took less than they had for the events earlier in the season, i know this cos i saw the trucks and talked to the vendors both before the event, and at the event.
 

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There is a difference between fast paced fields and fields with no back bunkers at all! I have played lots of fields that have 3/4 stand up coke cans at the back, yet still encourage fast aggressive play.It wouldnt have made the fields any less aggressive to have back players standing up on all the fields, would it?
 

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Originally posted by sjt19
There is a difference between fast paced fields and fields with no back bunkers at all! I have played lots of fields that have 3/4 stand up coke cans at the back, yet still encourage fast aggressive play.It wouldnt have made the fields any less aggressive to have back players standing up on all the fields, would it?
I agree with Sam on this one. There's no reason to eliminate all the large back bunkers. Good field design will allow there to be large back bunkers AND still have aggressive field plans. For example in Toulouse on the Splatch field, this field was humungous, it had two standups (1 in the corner and one in the center) and then a half moon in the other corner. Those back bunkers didn't stop teams from making the center 50 or dorrito 50 off the break. It also didn't stop teams from moving up the side which was littered with tall and short bunkers in an alternating pattern. The RPS field was similiar, it had stand ups, but if you played the field aggressively (hit both tapes hard), those stand ups won't last long. In Miami on the JT field their were 4 standups in the back field, but by pushing the tapes and middle concurrently you could work on pinching those people out 1 by 1.

I think it's an easy out to say "let's eliminate all the back bunkers to make the field aggressive". A smart field designer will use each type of bunker in every position on the field to make it a good and aggressive field. I think we are long past the 10 man days where there are 3-4 standups and those guys can cross up the entire game to stop any movement. The fields have gotten smaller which in effect lends itself to a faster game. And who's to say a really fast game is the way things should go? I'd rather play 10 minutes of smart paintball, then 3 minutes of throw all your guys at the 50 and see who wins. I think it's the thinking part of paintball I enjoy though more then the adrenaline rush.

With that being said, paintball is fun, let's play :)
 

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field designs..

Firstly, We didnt have English teams over before we changed the fields 2 years ago and we didnt have them after. But I think that we would have more English teams if we change the date. ( not including the ones that have been here almost every year )

A funny sidenote, I did the fields for Huntington Beach, they seemed to love it and are now following the pattern ever since. Even PSP have gone to more small back bunkers and easy acces to 40 and 50 line bunkers. Its not just to take away the back bunkers, you have to plan the setup carefully.

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Originally posted by Takedown
I think it's the thinking part of paintball I enjoy though more then the adrenaline rush.
If you don't 'think' when you play aggressive you are gonna die, to play agrressive is more exciting, more ballsy, more fun to watch and definitely requires the same, if not more 'thinking'.

You cannot win tournaments playing pussyball, you can win games but not tournaments !
 

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Originally posted by Robbo
If you don't 'think' when you play aggressive you are gonna die, to play agrressive is more exciting, more ballsy, more fun to watch and definitely requires the same, if not more 'thinking'.

You cannot win tournaments playing pussyball, you can win games but not tournaments !
Robbo is so right.

More aggressive PB usually means more of the thinking is done in advance. Thinking during field walking, thinking and implementing the right training regimins, thinking while observing the other teams, thinking about how opponents might counter your power moves and thinking about how to thrive in the midst of chaos that you and your team have created.

Steve
 

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Sam, Sam, Sam

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
Hey - maybe it bummed you out that I shot 3 of you guys on the breakout on the Tomahawk field (you did play on the same team as Wayne - right ?) ?
Yeah, you took 4 of us on the break, then it took you 6 minutes to shoot out our last guy, and if i remember correctly he shot 5 of you didnt he?:p :D