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Originally posted by Robbo
If you don't 'think' when you play aggressive you are gonna die, to play agrressive is more exciting, more ballsy, more fun to watch and definitely requires the same, if not more 'thinking'.

You cannot win tournaments playing pussyball, you can win games but not tournaments !
At no point did I advocate playing "pussyball", whatever that might be. I assume it's some sort of make it to your intial bunkers and wait game. I'm all for set game plans that are worked out in advance and power moves that can make or break your win.

I'll say it again, there is no reason to remove the back bunkers to force teams to play aggressive, there are other things you can do to the fields such as add ladders, put large bunkers on the 50's, have snakes that run the length of the field, to make the field exciting to play and watch. Quite a few people are convinced you just remove all the back bunkers and like magic the field is fun to play and watch, WRONG!
 

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Originally posted by Takedown
At no point did I advocate playing "pussyball", whatever that might be!
I will get hold of Warren Maxwell and find out what it is.:p

The fields in Miami were spot on, really aggressive and they had lots of stand up back barricades. I disagree that you need to force people to play aggressively, Sweden was not an aggressive event, as i saw plenty of people sitting back defensively, the fields just meant that people sitting back were uncomfortably positioned
 

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Eeeeehhhhh ?

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
Who ever talked about removing the back bunkers ?

Sam (wrongly) gave the impression there were no back bunkers in Stockholm - which is simply not true.

They were just not big ass stand up cans !
I didnt mean there were NO barricades at the back. Just that they were so small, like sausages and tiny blocks that they were pretty much useless anyway.
 

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Eeeeehhhhh ?

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
Who ever talked about removing the back bunkers ?

Sam (wrongly) gave the impression there were no back bunkers in Stockholm - which is simply not true.

They were just not big ass stand up cans !

I think the object of any field, should be to make it easier to attack than to defend.

I did not say make it impossible to defend.... big difference !

I think we have gotten a good many years away from when the back were where you stuck you "no game teammates" - so I see little point in sticking with the notion that the back bunkers have to be huge, when what that does is make it extremely difficult to overcome a solid back line.

Nick
I should clarify myself, I meant to say stand up back bunkers. Of course you have to have some sort of back bunker, otherwise there are no bunkers :)

Sam brought up the Miami fields. They were very well designed in my opinion. They had stand up back bunkers, but they didn't cause games to go to stalemates because the fields were designed well. It was easier to attack on these fields then to defend, which would satisfy your point Nick.

Why should we remove ALL the stand up back bunkers? I have no problem with having some small and some large back bunkers. But I don't see the reason to remove all of them. It's very easy to shoot out the back stand up corners when the tape bunkers allow for the player to move into their opponents 40's and 30's, regardless if the other team has a strong back line.

If we are going to get rid of all the stand up back bunkers lets just make the entire field half moons, then we'd be back to the ESPN world cup days, now that was fun to watch!
 

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Well Takedown

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
This is really a pointles debate, because you were in Miami - which I was not - and I was in Stockholm, but you were not.

So - there is no way you can comment sensibly on the Stockholm fields - or me on the Miami fields.

Nick
True, we can't debate on those particular fields. I'll maintain that removing the large back bunkers doesn't buy us anything accept an easy out for aggressive field design and you'll maintain we don't need large back bunkers any longer because small back bunkers encourage aggressive play.

-Ron
 

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Well Ron

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
Actually I maintain that large back bunkers makes it EASIER to play defensively.... not that removing them promotes aggressive play.

At the end of the day, playing style is up to each individual team.

Nick
Ok we agree then on that point :)

-Ron