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I think I know the answer but I have decided not to announce anything until I get it confirmed (and signed in blood).Originally posted by TJ Lambini
Strange or Dynasty?
Steve
Nick & Goose
Goose: i dont think the idea was to part from the Mill series and run the events. Its more like dont have a event at all..
Regarding the sideshow aspect. Well I think if we run a Nations cup in x-ball format. then we are marketing and helping x-ball as a format. And if I was the man behind the new format and wanted it to work, I would be glad for the extra promotion all over Europe, but maybe thats just me. ( still smoking )
Nick. I may missunderstand something here. But if you remember I had a post about lost revenue for the Joy Masters if 8 of the European pro teams play only x-ball and not mill.
Room isnt really a issue for everbody. Does goose idea take care of that problem?
Magued
Goose: i dont think the idea was to part from the Mill series and run the events. Its more like dont have a event at all..
Regarding the sideshow aspect. Well I think if we run a Nations cup in x-ball format. then we are marketing and helping x-ball as a format. And if I was the man behind the new format and wanted it to work, I would be glad for the extra promotion all over Europe, but maybe thats just me. ( still smoking )
Nick. I may missunderstand something here. But if you remember I had a post about lost revenue for the Joy Masters if 8 of the European pro teams play only x-ball and not mill.
Room isnt really a issue for everbody. Does goose idea take care of that problem?
Magued
Mag
I still don't understand the reasoning - I NEVER propsed that X-Ball split from the Millennium. With that in mind I don't understand why there we be any loss in revenue? The teams would still be there - still paying the entry fee - and the extra X-Ball amount. There where teams willing to pay the extra - and forego any chance at proze money - to play X.
If the Millennium board thinks that promoting a "sideshow" will help get more publicity - then who am I to tell them it wouldn't work better. After all what do I know, I have only worked in advertising & Publid relations for the past 5 years. Why should potential outside sponsors take it seriously when we don't.
There is an old slogan - "You never get a second chance to make a first impression".
If we where lucky enough to get a meeting with a huge company - say Coke - does anyone honestly think that they would get behind this idea? Paintball is such an unknown sport as it is - and we are going to try and sell them something even more obscure?
Chuck has managed to get big names involved in the NPPL from outside sources - but by offering a complete experience - NOT A SIDESHOW.
goose
I still don't understand the reasoning - I NEVER propsed that X-Ball split from the Millennium. With that in mind I don't understand why there we be any loss in revenue? The teams would still be there - still paying the entry fee - and the extra X-Ball amount. There where teams willing to pay the extra - and forego any chance at proze money - to play X.
If the Millennium board thinks that promoting a "sideshow" will help get more publicity - then who am I to tell them it wouldn't work better. After all what do I know, I have only worked in advertising & Publid relations for the past 5 years. Why should potential outside sponsors take it seriously when we don't.
There is an old slogan - "You never get a second chance to make a first impression".
If we where lucky enough to get a meeting with a huge company - say Coke - does anyone honestly think that they would get behind this idea? Paintball is such an unknown sport as it is - and we are going to try and sell them something even more obscure?
Chuck has managed to get big names involved in the NPPL from outside sources - but by offering a complete experience - NOT A SIDESHOW.
goose
Goose,
I listened and agreed to your point about first impressions. But there is another take on it. Marketers also test-market products, especially when introducing the concept in a new market. I have been invited (as a consumer) to "taste-test" products from McDonald's and Coca-Cola. The McDonald's product later became known as McFeast in Sweden and McDLT in America. My hometown of Atlanta and my new "hometown" of Stockholm are both known test markets for new products. We are test marketing and exposing the X-ball product on a small scale in order to gauge response and viability before we throw a big chunk of change at it. We don't have the gigantic resources to pitch into a massive investment until we are more certain about whether or not it will work in the long-run. Good, sound, standard business practice.
Here I am defending our current program which really is academic now. No more of that; I am over it now and ready to move on. We've got a program now. I'm going to give it my best shot.
Steve
Steve....
If you guys can prove me wrong - hey I will be the FIRST person to jump up and praise you and admit I was wrong.
Who is your taste test for? The players or the sponsors?
If it was for the sponsors then...
Companies do test market things - THEIR OWN PRODUCTS. Companies do not test market other peoples ideas - espepecially when asked to lend their name to something.
Companies want either proven ideas to back, or something they can see potential in. Sure they might be able to see potential in X in the U.S. but that is because they have a concrete product to offer them - not something in the "development phase" that is run as sideshow. Why is it run as a sideshow - because the organizers did not want to back it 100% - even though they are the ones who could benefit from it the most. Why would a large company want to back something that even our own organizers don't.
If those who taste tested a McDLT (still think that is a better name than McFeast) where given one that was half cooked, missing the tomates & lettuce and where told to imagine what it would be like in a bun - do you think that it would ever get paste the taste test phase?
Also as far as the Millennnium Series "test marketing" X-Ball to the players before throwing a large chunk of cash at it...
In order to test market Euro-X (to the players to see if they would want to play) there was not a huge amount of money required - the scoreboard is paid for - the field is available. The only stuff remaining is reffing (which could be done by the teams involved), running the scoreboard (again could be done by players) - outside marketing doesn't need to be thought about because that wouldn't be done until next year - when there is a viable product, so that wouldn't cost anything. Please tell me where the costs are or at least those that can't be covered by the 24 thousand Euros the 8 teams where willing to pay to play?
Steve - I know your situation - you have to make the best out of what you are given, we respect that. What we have a problem with is the fact that you where handed this in the state it is in.
goose
If you guys can prove me wrong - hey I will be the FIRST person to jump up and praise you and admit I was wrong.
Who is your taste test for? The players or the sponsors?
If it was for the sponsors then...
Companies do test market things - THEIR OWN PRODUCTS. Companies do not test market other peoples ideas - espepecially when asked to lend their name to something.
Companies want either proven ideas to back, or something they can see potential in. Sure they might be able to see potential in X in the U.S. but that is because they have a concrete product to offer them - not something in the "development phase" that is run as sideshow. Why is it run as a sideshow - because the organizers did not want to back it 100% - even though they are the ones who could benefit from it the most. Why would a large company want to back something that even our own organizers don't.
If those who taste tested a McDLT (still think that is a better name than McFeast) where given one that was half cooked, missing the tomates & lettuce and where told to imagine what it would be like in a bun - do you think that it would ever get paste the taste test phase?
Also as far as the Millennnium Series "test marketing" X-Ball to the players before throwing a large chunk of cash at it...
In order to test market Euro-X (to the players to see if they would want to play) there was not a huge amount of money required - the scoreboard is paid for - the field is available. The only stuff remaining is reffing (which could be done by the teams involved), running the scoreboard (again could be done by players) - outside marketing doesn't need to be thought about because that wouldn't be done until next year - when there is a viable product, so that wouldn't cost anything. Please tell me where the costs are or at least those that can't be covered by the 24 thousand Euros the 8 teams where willing to pay to play?
Steve - I know your situation - you have to make the best out of what you are given, we respect that. What we have a problem with is the fact that you where handed this in the state it is in.
goose
Re: Steve
Firstly, you did not send me an email telling me it was too late at all, I told you it was not possible after you called me to see if there was any way you could resurrect the team-based series.
I went thru it all with you and explained why it was impossible.
You did not tell me a damned thing !!!!
Secondly, that second statement from your post I pasted above, are U kiddin me ???
Either you are lying deliberately for the sake of your newly given position or at best, you are ignorant of some basic paintball fundamentals.
Now I can understand why you might feel the need to be positive but please, don't talk bollocks, I have heard enough of that already from members of the board.
Stick to the truth and stick to what's practical and realistically possible and u won't go too far wrong.
The rhetoric that is being spouted now is just continuing a recent Millennium tradition of senseless clap trap !
Steve, come on, now u really are stretching things here and indulging yourself in bollocks-talk.
Firstly, you did not send me an email telling me it was too late at all, I told you it was not possible after you called me to see if there was any way you could resurrect the team-based series.
I went thru it all with you and explained why it was impossible.
You did not tell me a damned thing !!!!
Secondly, that second statement from your post I pasted above, are U kiddin me ???
Either you are lying deliberately for the sake of your newly given position or at best, you are ignorant of some basic paintball fundamentals.
Now I can understand why you might feel the need to be positive but please, don't talk bollocks, I have heard enough of that already from members of the board.
Stick to the truth and stick to what's practical and realistically possible and u won't go too far wrong.
The rhetoric that is being spouted now is just continuing a recent Millennium tradition of senseless clap trap !
D
duffistuta
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>>>I DO see that X-ball would incur another set of prizes - but I assume that there will also be prizes in the current format - for the best Nations, so choosing the present format probably doesn't change that ????
I thought there weren't any prizes as such, but one big prize - the chance to go to the States to play in the NXL final round?
I thought there weren't any prizes as such, but one big prize - the chance to go to the States to play in the NXL final round?
Magued
Nick, now u know the reasons already, u honestly think they are gonna come on here and put their hands up ???
Re: Re: Steve
That was it as far as comments on what's happened before. Chris, you had some good rebuttals which I could answer but I won't. It is beating a dead horse. From now on I'll only comment on the program as it develops and I am certainly open to RESPECTFUL, CONSTRUCTIVE input, ideas and feedback.
Steve
My answer: Of course I'm going to put a positive spin on things because it's my job AND because I DO believe our X-ball program can and will become a positive thing. Until you press the button on me, I'll exercise the privilege of speaking what I think. I'll try not to step on anybody when I express my opinions.
That was it as far as comments on what's happened before. Chris, you had some good rebuttals which I could answer but I won't. It is beating a dead horse. From now on I'll only comment on the program as it develops and I am certainly open to RESPECTFUL, CONSTRUCTIVE input, ideas and feedback.
Steve