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Re: An announcement about European Nations Cup X-ball coming shortly...

Originally posted by Buddha 3
Steve, no attack on you, but something is puzzling me.
You say that the Euro X-ball thing is the sister to the NXL. The Euro X-ball has to piggy back with the Millennium Series for it's infrastructure. Yet at the same time, the NXL forbids it's players to compete in the Millennium Series, and Millennium have sort of thrown in their lot with the NPPL S7....
What's the deal? Who is Millennium in cahoots with? Or are we as Europeans trying to be friends with everybody?
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for exciting developments, but I would also like for us to make up our minds, and say: "that's what we're going with". Even if it means pissing off this US league, or that US league...

Why do you think Mil picked up an old hippy like me? We want peace, love and joy, that's all. We are cooperating with NPPL Super 7 for 7-player and we're cooperating with NXL for our modest X-ball thingy. Simple.

Steve

 

[Magued]

tell me one thing..

Mark & Buddha

What exactly is it that you guys want?
I know what Robbo want. He dont want Nations cup. If he cant have a team based x-ball he dont want a Nations cup x-ball.
But what is it that you guys want? Cant figure it out..

And why the hell should we alienate anyone, just to make a statement? 2 different legues is fighting eachother in the states, why should we choose a side?
And if we did, dont you think it can make the euroscene a bit more complicated? When the Draxxus sponsered teams cant play or the WDP and JT teams is out of the Mill beacuse we choosed to work with PSP?
But hey lets show some balls and just be strong and tell everybody that the can go F*** themself and just raise the entre fee a bit to cover for the lost sponsors!!

Markie, Caracter? Do you think that the Mill people dont have caracter? Then why dont you step up and show us all some caracter and put up half of a event like any of the Mill events?

Magued

 

[Buddha 3]

Magued,

My post wasn't meant to ruffle any feathers. What I'm saying is that at the moment it seems there is no clear direction as to where all this will lead to. I know that running a tournament series is one giant juggling act, and it seems like us Europeans are trying too keep to many balls in the air. I hope I'm wrong, I honestly do, but I fear that there is no real focus at the moment, with a lot of hype being made of X-ball. But I'm also the first to say that this could also be because that's what gets discussed on the internet.
I'm not saying you need to pick sides in the schism that there is now in the US scene, I'd just like to see us Europeans decide on our own vision and our own goals, and then work with those whose vision is most similar. It's what most businesses do.
Don't take everything as a personal attack mate, it's not meant as such. Some of us are just worried about the sounds of unrest we hear. A split could also easily happen in Europe. Millennium was a bastion of "how things should be", with their own visions and way of doing things. As we say in Holland, raiders have landed on the shore, as more and more people seem to be turning their eyes towards Europe. It's no big secret that WDP would love to do something in Europe, and with Huntington Beach, from what I hear it seems they are well capable of supporting something awesome. I'd say that given half the chance, WDP is swooping in to set up (a) tournament(s) in Europe, and I doubt it would be part of the Millennium Series. I fear it would be instead of one or two of the Millennium events. Plenty of people in Europe, yourself included, have close enough ties with WDP to start working with them if they come with a good offer.
I made it sound like WDP is the big bad wolf, but that is not what I meant. I fully support what WDP is doing, because I think it shows vision, and guts. And I think it is the way forward.
I just don't think there is room in Europe for two concurrent tournament series, and my money would be on the one with the clearest vision as to which one would "eat" the other.

You ask me what I want. What I want is simple. I want to be able to go and play in what is the best run tournament series in the world, in the same way I could do that in years past. I just fear that with the attention of people being drawn in different directions, quality might suffer. But I would love to proven wrong, I seriously do. I guess this is all academic anyway, until we are at least a few events into the season.

Regards,

 

[Magued]

Buddha.

It seems like I have to work a bit on my approach when I post stuff here. Everybody seems to think im pissed when Im answering something
Sorry about that.

The thing that bothers me abit is when people are complaining about stuff just for the sake of being negative, if you know what I mean.
About the visions for the Mill series. Everybody knows by now that big things are happening in the States.
Our plans for this year was to try to give the players here in Europe what we think would be good for Europe.

X-ball in a way that got us started and tried out here without letting it take to much room from the Mill series.
Work with the S7 and try to help as much as possible without saying that we are choosing this or that.
( dont forget that HB S7 had ALOT of people from the Mill series working there as off to make it happend ) Including staff from Joy Masters, Toulouse and Portugal!

If anybody would choose to compete with the Mill series here in Europe we should all just say, good luck!
I mean if thats gonna make the scene here in Europe even better so why not?

If anyone can do Joy Masters better I would be glad to just play and take care of my team and get drunk. But until that happen we have to do this.

One thing that needs to be adressed is that IF the Millennium series dont feel that they have the support of the European players they will stop doing there events.
Not all, but 2-3 promoters have stated a few times the last 6 months that they are thinking about not bather anymore and go about with there buisness.
If that happens we can all be sure of 2 things, the people that have been negative isnt the ones whos gonna step up and fill the vacum. And we will end up with more money driven promoters that runs there events in a more profit aimed way.
But I may be wrong..

Magued

 

[Buddha 3]

Buddha.

Originally posted by Magued
Everybody seems to think im pissed when Im answering something

That's because you always look so serious in the pictures.

 

[Gyroscope]

From a distance, it does look like the European players have the best of both worlds in one way: you have a (generally) well run tournament series that is going to support X-ball.

Here we have what might be the start of a well run tournament series that doesn't support X-ball and another series that has been erratic in quality over its history, but supports X-ball and has most of the top talent (in the NXL teams).

 

[goose]

Maggot

One thing that needs to be adressed is that IF the Millennium series dont feel that they have the support of the European players they will stop doing there events.
Not all, but 2-3 promoters have stated a few times the last 6 months that they are thinking about not bather anymore and go about with there buisness.
If that happens we can all be sure of 2 things, the people that have been negative isnt the ones whos gonna step up and fill the vacum. And we will end up with more money driven promoters that runs there events in a more profit aimed way.
But I may be wrong..

First - to the promoters who think they could do better without the benefit that being a part of the Millennium gives them - tell them to try. I am pretty sure that some of the tournaments wouldn't get the teams they are now, if they didn't have the Millennium connection.

Second - The people who have been negative (myself included) may not be able to run tournaments - but we are willing to help. HOWEVER many of the organizers don't want to listen anyone but their own voice. People volunteer to help the series, and just get ignored or told "this is way things are".

Third - are your sure that the organizers have the support of all the Euro players - or do the Euro players just have nowhere else to go?? The old NPPL thought they had the support of the players too. For every person on this board who displays their dislike for the way things are run - there are probably at least 7 other who are not heard from who feel the same way.

Fourth -

And we will end up with more money driven promoters that runs there events in a more profit aimed way.

I don't see why this is a bad thing - part of making profits is ensuring that your customers are satisfied and they are getting the best value for their money. If a promoter tries to make more money by cutting down on the things players want then sure it won't work - but if the promters work together to to run a SERIES instead of individual events then this won't happen. Basically this is what Chuck has done, sure it makes it easier to work together when the person you have to argue with is yourself (simplistically saying in regards to the new NPPL) - but he has put the Series above each individual event - he is seeing the big picture - not worrying about his own little corner.

In my opinion if the organizers could see "the big picture" the money they could make would be infinately greater than what they make now worrying about their own tournament.




Gyroscope - keep looking from a distance and you can't see the cracks.

Sure the Millennium is a fairly well run series (in my mind it still is the BEST series, Huntington beach has only been 1 event - so the jury is still out on the NPPL). But to say that they are supporting X-Ball - put down the pipe, please.

You don't support something by relegating it to a "sideshow" that happens after the days games are over. I have been - along with a couple others - very vocal on this subject so I am not going any further. Nations X-Ball will be run, I will support it because it is there and we have no other choice. But that doesn't mean I have to be happy about it. But if I have to choose between playing 100% the night before the semis and then being able to only give 75% when my team needs it (the semis) or doing it the other way around (75% to X and 100% to semis) I think most people would choose to "slack off" when it comes to X.

goose

 

[Markie X]

tell me one thing..

Originally posted by Magued
Mark & Buddha

What exactly is it that you guys want?
I know what Robbo want. He dont want Nations cup. If he cant have a team based x-ball he dont want a Nations cup x-ball.
But what is it that you guys want? Cant figure it out..

And why the hell should we alienate anyone, just to make a statement? 2 different legues is fighting eachother in the states, why should we choose a side?
And if we did, dont you think it can make the euroscene a bit more complicated? When the Draxxus sponsered teams cant play or the WDP and JT teams is out of the Mill beacuse we choosed to work with PSP?
But hey lets show some balls and just be strong and tell everybody that the can go F*** themself and just raise the entre fee a bit to cover for the lost sponsors!!

Markie, Caracter? Do you think that the Mill people dont have caracter? Then why dont you step up and show us all some caracter and put up half of a event like any of the Mill events?

Magued

Magued if my mentioning of names above gave got the
impression i had no respect for your tireless effort, your wrong...
I don't include you as a person with a lack of vision or drive, you got my respect big time ...
Regarding what i want, i just wanna play and have some fun...

 

[TJ Lambini]

Amen, my fine feathered friend,

Amen

 

[Wadidiz]

Steve

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
Have you guys considered the suggestions put forth by Chris ?

What's the verdict ?

- Have you guys seen the light og should I be po'd ?



Nick

Nick and others,

I listened to Chris and Robbo and read the opinions of others, but in the end the program was already set and too late for any further changes. I sent Chris and Robbo an e-mail to that effect. I apologize if anyone feels I wasted their time. Perhaps some of the ideas can be implemented next season and I'm glad I established some contact with these respected people.

It is obvious that policies and decisions haven't come forth in the most consistent and straightforward way during the off-season. It definitely has been a challenge for everyone involved, both from Millennium's side and from the teams' side, because the Millennium promoters have had to try to follow last-minute developments in the US in order to set a viable program. I understand that folks have been exasperated by some inaccurate information and changes in the announced program.

I am definitely NOT going to get involved in trying to unravel what was said to whom and why. That was before my time.

So now at least this much is clear: we will have a modest X-ball competition at every Mill event with 2 games on Day 1 and 2 games on Day 2 of each tournament.

I know it is easier said than done, but let's (those of us who can) put the misunderstandings, miscommunications and differences behind us and make the most of the possibilities for a modest X-ball competítion this year and a much bigger situation next year. I will do the best I can to listen to constructive input and implement good ideas whenever and however I can.

More details coming soon.

Steve

PS. (post edit) As I said earlier, we will make sure that the focus is on top-quality, professional and exciting X-ball events; quality this year to build a leap in quantity next year. I also intend to promote between-tournament X-ball practices whenever and however possible. I don't believe in any myths that one season of less X-ball playing is going to guarantee bad results next year. Positive attitudes, commitment, and an investment in time could even produce substantial results THIS YEAR at the World Cup. Quality + smarts compared with quantity. IMO.

SM