x-ball returns to europe

[Ronnie Hollington]

i completly disagree Nick im sure that you guys will be able to adapt if you got premoted. i dont see why it affects lower teams, if you look at Teams like Enemy, kellys ect can you honestly tell me that they wouldnt be able to adapt in the off season to play pro M7 paintball

 

[PEBBLE]

?

can someone tell me if this is correct so the millenium will be setup as follows:-

Pro/Champions league-xball lite (5man) (with 7rosterd etc)

Div 1 and below is ordinary 7man as it was yesteryear

is it a definate thing? or will it mite change if everybody moans more?

thanx in advance (just wanna make it clear to myself so i can spread the news to my team)

In my opinion Id say, there is no problem with the new millenium formats and im a Div 1 team hopin to go Pro/Champions league this year

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
And - what exactly is the justification for ONLY doing it in the CPL?

What of the "universal format" that the MS and PSP has told everyone was coming?

I realise all is fine and dandy for you Pro teams - which is probably why the decision ended up this way - but for division 1 teams and not least feeder leagues, this is completely stupid.

Don't you see that??

And - I'm not harping on about anything - I guess you didn't read my message properly? - I'm saying that the PSP will NOT run 7-man in their lower leagues - which is exactly why this makes the whole "global format" thing a joke.

Nick

Nick, nobody is suggesting or asking the PSP to run any 7 man......that's why you are harping !!!!

We as pros had nothing to do with the fact the change was restricted to the CPL Nick but the Millennium Board's reasons for doing so, I happen to agree with.
They felt that to extend the change to div 1 was risky in that none of us really know what playing this new format (best of 5 etc) is gonna cost in paint etc, it's basically a 'suck it and see' exercise for everybody with a few clues from last year's XBall to help us along.
The pro teams are better able to deal with any unexpected increases in paint usage because if the new format had been unleashed on Div one teams and paint usage had gone thru the roof, the losers would be?...everybody.

The Millennium guys are convinced the new format is the right format and all that remains are for the details to be ironed out and to make sure it is appropriate for the Millennium to extend it throughout the divisions after it has been test run for this year..I think that strategy seems OK to me Nick

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

Ronnie

The points I'm trying to make are:

1)
Most of the teams in the lower divisions play the feeder leagues also, and everyone had hoped to be able to play the same format as in the MS there - that is now more or less impossible, as those leagues are predominantly geared for 5-man.

2)
The world federation (or whatever it was called), was supposed to create one global format - it has not - and now just seems like a - not so clever - marketing ploy.

3)
Anyone can tell you if is damaging to a team to focus on two formats, which most of the Div. 1 teams now have to do - one for the MS - and another for any other event we play.

4)
It DOES make a difference to play a new format next season, against teams that have played it for a full season - which is exactly the reason everyone wants to play the same format in every league...... or are you telling me your team had an easy trastition to the EXL?

Nick

 

[go-one]

Sam - Thanks for filling the gaps, makes more sence now.

Nick - The PSP were playing multiple formats in previous years and now even tho droping to one format it still varies div to div ! Just think of the MS being the same but a year behind. Its likely next year it will be expanded down the divs.

As for local / regional leagues you have to think what are they for ??? Are they to service the customer base in their areas or simply training for that regions top teams between Internationals ?? Personaly last time I checked 80% of teams at a local league DONT play MS (In UK anyway). So Format is not an issue for now, untill there is a one world format. But before that happens lets not forget the NPPL ! Maybe the local leagues are allowing people to train for thet : ;-)

 

[Just Curious]

but the crowd will be 9m back from the line of the tape bunkers.

Just a quick observation.
If the above means the crowd will be back '9 meters', that seems a bit far (approx 29 to 30 feet back ) or am I just being stupid?

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
Ronnie

The points I'm trying to make are:

1)
Most of the teams in the lower divisions play the feeder leagues also, and everyone had hoped to be able to play the same format as in the MS there - that is now more or less impossible, as those leagues are predominantly geared for 5-man.

2)
The world federation (or whatever it was called), was supposed to create one global format - it has not - and now just seems like a - not so clever - marketing ploy.

3)
Anyone can tell you if is damaging to a team to focus on two formats, which most of the Div. 1 teams now have to do - one for the MS - and another for any other event we play.

4)
It DOES make a difference to play a new format next season, against teams that have played it for a full season - which is exactly the reason everyone wants to play the same format in every league...... or are you telling me your team had an easy trastition to the EXL?

Nick

First I heard that one world formats have to be done in one fell swoop, it's a process Nick, a process..and processes take time and what's important here is not that things didn't fit into your expected time frame and include your team at the first jump but that the process is going in the right direction...it is certainly not a marketing ploy of any sort...not much use of marketing ploys when you got a captive customer base Nick.

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

Nick, nobody is suggesting or asking the PSP to run any 7 man......that's why you are harping !!!!

I'm not suggesting it either - which is why I find it weird that you think so - maybe my english is worse than I thought?

Paint usage is really easy to calculate, and if they feared it being too expensive for Div. 1, they could just have said Div. 1 was best of 5 - so that argument is crap

I think they are just (as usual) trying to cover their asses, if the NPPL suddenly pulls a rabit out of the hat.

I find it odd that you think the decision is the right one - when you (and most everyone else) - has said several times that running 2 formats in the MS, like in the EXL year, is a really bad idea.

Nick

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
I'm not suggesting it either - which is why I find it weird that you think so - maybe my english is worse than I thought?

Paint usage is really easy to calculate, and if they feared it being too expensive for Div. 1, they could just have said Div. 1 was best of 5 - so that argument is crap

I think they are just (as usual) trying to cover their asses, if the NPPL suddenly pulls a rabit out of the hat.

I find it odd that you think the decision is the right one - when you (and most everyone else) - has said several times that running 2 formats in the MS, like in the EXL year, is a really bad idea.

Nick

If running two formats for one year means we get one step closer to a world industry format the next, then so be it..we would be stupid to preclude that step just because we would be running two formats.

As for Div 1 playing 3 games?
The pro captains actually decided upon a best of 9 and if you remember back Nick to XBall when it was played in 2004 in the EXL, all the hoohaa that surrounded those teams outside of the EXL and how they wanted to play and quite a few turned out for that first event and the bloody thing nigh on fizzled out because the Am teams just couldn't afford to play, it ended up as a farce.
The Board were not going to risk that again.

As for the NPPL pulling anything, I don't think the NPPL are looking to finance any moves into Europe at the present time Nick because of the world wide industry financial situation so I can't really think that's a concern for the Millennium here.

 

[Ronnie Hollington]

we came third in the EXL second only to Joy and the Russians. Also qualifing for the finals beating XSV and Arsenal in tolouse (7 man) made the finals in madrid 7 man. For us 2004 it was an easy tranisition and not hard playing both formats we made every european final that year. i know that other teams found it hard, and im sure it will be a far harder year for us this year with all our changes. i really look forward to playing M7 as long as the fields are set out well like the EXL ones were i belive it will be a great format.

it helped us as we had 10-12 players training every week and X-ball allowed everyone to play a lot of games. So 7 man we only had to slow things down a bit.