when will the date's be out for the nppl 2006

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by Missy Q
....yawn..... yes Chicago, think of the cash you would save.....

And (yet) again, without bands, you would have less money to spend on what you want, not more. But hey, if it amuses you to continually act as dumb as the dumbest out there who am I to stop you, its not like I have time to explain the whole thing to you again.

And everyone knows it has to be one format. If it could be 2 formats, there would be a lot less reason for anyone to consider a merger, as, well, there are already 2 formats....

wait a minute though, maybe if the NPPL stopped giving away fruit and water to the 'mob', there would be enough money to give all the teams free entry and equipment, in which case no-one would care about the format anyway......
Genius!

So to re-cap - The sooner the NPPL realise that they need to stop blowing 10's of thousands of dollars on fruit and water the better. And those bands - don't get me started on the untold funds that would be freed up by not having people sponsor a stage and bring in 'out of paintball' support and funding for the event. Seriously - what are PP thinking?

Lets also cut out security, and just have people stage in the parking lot too, then more money could be spent on refs, right? Because the refs are so crap, aren't they?

for the record I think the reffing on the NPPL field (the only field I watched at the weekend) was some of the best I have seen. But as it's uncool to praise refs, I probably shouldn't mention it...

Missy, I know you and Chicago have this thing going on and I've accepted it but could explain one thing for me?
Just who is "everybody" who knows there has to be one format? And did they know it last year too or the year before that? Or is this perhaps a recent revelation? Just curious.

And about praising refs if you are gonna base your opinion on a 16% sample you only saw occasionally you probably shouldn't have mentioned it. And those were the best the NPPL had available.

And if you're gonna take more shots at Chi-town I wouldn't use Miami as the basis of your shots. Just a thought.

btw, sent you an email thru the P8ntballer system.

 

[Missy Q]

OK Chicago, I'm going to call you.

List your 5 locations based on paintball venues with well manicured grass.
They have to be able to take 8 fields plus a staging area and they need to be of a quality where a bunch of twats won't come to crucify you on the internet.
You will need funding, so the industry will also need to be happy with the venues, or they won't sponsor you, unless you have a better way of getting the money, in which case kindly elaborate.

and Tourist! You cheeky fxcker!

If 'real paintball' means going back to Rennicks field every summer in Chicago, or somewhere equally 'old-skool' then I seriously think this imaginary new league of yours will be poorly represented, you may not even manage to persuade your own team to play in it. Or maybe you think we should go back to playing in the woods? I mean, once you don't care if anyone watches and quit trying to promote the game outside of people who already know about it, who really cares what the format is anyway, so long as the refs are better...

And I'm not focusing on fruit and water, I mention it only when you do, and then only to point out the idiocy of you pointing it out in the first place.

and why don't you call the NPPL and get taken off the list to receive press releases if they offend you. Or wouild you rather just whine on about them?

 

[Missy Q]

Just who is "everybody" who knows there has to be one format? And did they know it last year too or the year before that? Or is this perhaps a recent revelation? Just curious.

Fair enough, to qualify, the industry, or rather some major sponsors of both leagues, are withholding sponsorship for next season for either league as they want to see one direction and no-doubt also want to cut sponsorship budgets. Everyone, in this case, means both leagues and thier sponsors/backers. I concede that it may not mean all paintballers, and I don't know what the general consensus would be, but I do know that they would choose 1 league over 'no league', which is how many leagues there will be is nobody wants to fund them.

And about praising refs if you are gonna base your opinion on a 16% sample you only saw occasionally you probably shouldn't have mentioned it. And those were the best the NPPL had available.

Which was my reason for qualifying my statement, which I stand behind.

And if you're gonna take more shots at Chi-town I wouldn't use Miami as the basis of your shots. Just a thought.

I have expressed my own opinions of Miami in another thread, and I doubt they would differ too much from anyone elses. I do applaud the crew for the extremely hard work they did in very difficult circumstances, and I won't cheapen that, but there is no doubt in my mind that this was the weakest event in the NPPL's season, and while I do think its a shame, I won't pretend it was otherwise.



and I don't know what the 'P8ntballer system' is, so I may not get that...

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

Chicago:

We are on the same page where reffing is concerned - the refs need a lot more training.... but just upping their saleries won't make a difference - that just means the same people with the same lack of training - get more money.... it has no real impact on how they perform.

One thing a new unified league COULD do, would be to institute a real training programme for the refs (not just a couple of hours looking at slides in an auditorium).

But it will cost a lot of money, because you are suddenly entering a place where refs are semi-pro - and need to get enough money to not have to work full time jobs in "civilian life" - because the days spent travelling and reffing, will be far beyond what any normal employer would allow for.

$ 200 + travel doesn't cut it.... not by a wide margin.

As for playing in a parking lot.... you should go to one of the MS events next year.... if the right turf is used, its BETTER than real grass.

The thin carpet the NPPL uses is not good enough - and I would assume they are taking a really close look at what the MS has done this year, where every single player has praised the turf as the best surface they have ever playyed on - even when layed out on a parking lot

Water, Fruit, Bands... who cares... it's nickles and dimes.

Anyway - I understand your position about spending less on "unimportant stuff" - and more on reffing... but I think you'll find, if you do the calculations - that eliminating all that you think is superfluous, will not even put you in the ballpark you need to be in, to get the reffing done right.

As such, all you'll do eliminating that stuff. is get a worse event on a whole, because the benefits are few.

Nick

 

[Missy Q]

I hate saying this, but Nick has effectively said what I wanted to say re. the small-change not adding up to money that would make a difference to the standard of reffing.

I still want to see these great paintball venues that Chicago has suggested though. In fact I can't wait to hear about them, especially the urban ones with enough lush grass for an NPPL event - they sound cool!

 

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by Missy Q
Fair enough, to qualify, the industry, or rather some major sponsors of both leagues, are withholding sponsorship for next season for either league as they want to see one direction and no-doubt also want to cut sponsorship budgets. Everyone, in this case, means both leagues and thier sponsors/backers. I concede that it may not mean all paintballers, and I don't know what the general consensus would be, but I do know that they would choose 1 league over 'no league', which is how many leagues there will be is nobody wants to fund them.

and I don't know what the 'P8ntballer system' is, so I may not get that...

Okay, thought for a second someone had changed another definition on me when I wasn't looking but it turns out you meant "everyone" in the sense of the handful of power brokers who have always been in charge of the future of Paintball. Which is a great relief to me, I assure you.

An email was sent addressed to the account you listed in your P8ntballer registration and I have no doubt it won't be received.

 

[Red Ring Inflictor]

A lot of lip service gets paid to "better reffing" but the sad truth is the promoters (read: players and their sponsors) aren't really willing to pay for it. The only places where reffing has been up to the professional levels it should be were (and still are) in the NXL, at some of the EXL events last year (with imported NXL refs) and at some of the NPPL's early events in 2003 (with imported Scandinavian refs). In all those cases the reffing was substantially subsidized or over-budget.

What it would take to replicate NXL reffing on a large enough scale for all three major leagues would be a budget big enough to pay for at least one full day of training (classroom and hands-on) prior to every tournament including meals, expenses FULLY paid and enough pay to make it worthwhile (whatever amount that needs to be). Certification should only be given to those who demonstate proficiency at the tournament in question; not just to attendees.

The training needs to be conducted by someone(s) who has (have) enough experience and knowledge to present the mentalities, game mechanics and player tricks so that something worthwhile gets transferred to the trainees.

Some leadership needs to be brought on-line during the tournaments to demand proper zoning, positioning and consistency in application of rules and penalties. No standing with shields trying to ref from behind players. No day-dreaming but anticipating moves as Nick says a lot. No lack of penalties when penalties are called for simply because someone is lazy or afraid.

Respect needs to be earned and then demanded consistently.

Someone who knows what good reffing looks like and has the right set of contacts needs to be in charge of recruiting because, at least in Europe, there is a fairly decent quantity of good refs if only they could be treated and paid properly.

The same central core of referees out to be at every major league tournament internationally. Head refs should know at least a few of the people they will be working with in advance and which fields they'll be working on...in a similar manner as a good playing team.

The rules ought to be enforceable and realistic (which means MAJOR revisions for some leagues) and the independent reffing corps ought to have major input and perhaps veto power concerning those rules because they're the ones who have to be on the front-líne with them.

There must be an on-going tournament-by-tournament evaluation system and a procedure for discipline and dealing with sub-par performance. Refs cannot be dismissed at the whim of players, teams, promoters or sponsors.

Professionalism and proper comportment will have to be demanded and expected of all officials involved according to standards set by the major officiating organizations in the major popular sports.

And last, but not least, there must be a truly independent officiating organization that really does have league backing and is truly untouchable.

But, alas, this is dream-thinking because it will be a long while, if ever, before the system is willing to shell out the bucks for this.

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

Nick has effectively said what I wanted to say QUOTE]

Be still my heart



Nick

P.S. "I suck"

 

[Missy Q]

Okay, thought for a second someone had changed another definition on me when I wasn't looking but it turns out you meant "everyone" in the sense of the handful of power brokers who have always been in charge of the future of Paintball. Which is a great relief to me, I assure you.

Good, so thats settled then

and my email is - myfirstname@thecompanyIrepresent.tv

and Nick, superimposing my breasts onto your avatar is a little disturbing....

 

[Gyroscope]

Nick, even broken clocks are right twice a day.