when will the date's be out for the nppl 2006

[Nick Brockdorff]

que sera sera...Our discussions here aren't going to change anything but I for one think it would make sense to have NXL-style for the pros, PSP-style X Ball with 32 minute matches for Div 1 and X Ball Lite (first to 5 points with maximum match times of 30 minutes or so) for Divs 2 and 3. Then maybe 5-man for a true young guns division. This I think should satisfy everyone and provide a natural path of progression.

I think you are incorrect.

I think it is imprerative for paintball, that even the lowliest small time event at your local field, is the same game, rules, format (and preferably field) - as the biggest leagues..... at least if we want real growth.

A lot of people are thinking assbackwards here.... they think if paintball gets on tv - then everything is gravy.

Well - what do they think will happen AFTER paintball is on tv - that will make paintball grow?

Do they think people just show up at their local field, and start playing woodland "war" with Tippmann SL68s - and then think paintball is the coolest thing ever?

If the format is not easily dublicated at local fields and events around the world, paintball will gain very little from TV exposure.

The fomat is everything - it is what will make it possible for field owners and local level promoters, to give players a "product" that is the same as what they have seen on tv.... not "like it" - but THE SAME.

That is KEY to succes - I believe.

Without that - only the few teams that get to be on tv actually really benefits from the exposure.... and the rest of the sport gains very little - if anything.

Nick

 

[Red Ring Inflictor]

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
I think you are incorrect.

I think it is imprerative for paintball, that even the lowliest small time event at your local field, is the same game, rules, format (and preferably field) - as the biggest leagues..... at least if we want real growth.

A lot of people are thinking assbackwards here.... they think if paintball gets on tv - then everything is gravy.

Well - what do they think will happen AFTER paintball is on tv - that will make paintball grow?

Do they think people just show up at their local field, and start playing woodland "war" with Tippmann SL68s - and then think paintball is the coolest thing ever?

If the format is not easily dublicated at local fields and events around the world, paintball will gain very little from TV exposure.

The fomat is everything - it is what will make it possible for field owners and local level promoters, to give players a "product" that is the same as what they have seen on tv.... not "like it" - but THE SAME.

Again, we'll see what THEY decide but I think what I've suggested IS a do-able and a natural progression from the local fields and events. If PSP could have 60 teams in Div 2 and 3 at the World Cup and that the full-blown timed matches of 32 minutes then why couldn't the same be achieved universally with the much less expensive first-to-five Lite format? I also think that standard 5-man is not such an unnatural stepping stone to X Ball Lite since it, like all the variations of X Ball I describe, can be played on the same field set-up just like it was at the World Cup.

ALL X Ball from Lite up to and including NXL is essentially the same with the same rules and same fields. The only difference is the duration of the matches and penalty length adjusted to correspond. Effectively there is no more difference between this and Junior High School, High School, College and NBA basketball. They're all basically the same games with only small variations as things progress upwards.

 

[Robbo]

Re: Re: Last Call

Originally posted by Baca Loco
I don't necessarily disagree but frankly the problems and issues we all have to deal with (or live with) are of their own making so I find it hard to be a) sympathetic, b) optimistic, and c) not bloody annoyed on a regular basis.

Paul, this is the real world and as such, they don't really care if you are a) unsympathetic, b) pessiimistic or c) annoyed on a regular basis.
This situation may well be of their own making but it was a mistake for them to make because they are the people who have invested millions and have the money and the power.
They ain't looking for anybody's sympathys mate, they are looking for solutions.

 

[Baca Loco]

Re: Re: Re: Last Call

Originally posted by Robbo
Paul, this is the real world and as such, they don't really care if you are a) unsympathetic, b) pessiimistic or c) annoyed on a regular basis.
This situation may well be of their own making but it was a mistake for them to make because they are the people who have invested millions and have the money and the power.
They ain't looking for anybody's sympathys mate, they are looking for solutions.

I am well aware that them what has the gold makes the rules, Pete, and it is theirs to lose but that doesn't mean the sun necessarily shines outta their collective asses nor that whatever "solution" that may or may not work for them is, by definition, good for Paintball or the rest of us. Indeed, the track record would seem to suggest that any positive that trickles down to the little peeps is incidental, not intentional, and far more likely to come about as a result of competition and not cooperation.

 

[Missy Q]

Well - if the format they end up with is workable for all levels of the sport, I'll be the most wholehearted supporter of it...

oh crap, now it's doomed for sure...............

 

[Robbo]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Last Call

Originally posted by Baca Loco
I am well aware that them what has the gold makes the rules, Pete, and it is theirs to lose but that doesn't mean the sun necessarily shines outta their collective asses nor that whatever "solution" that may or may not work for them is, by definition, good for Paintball or the rest of us. Indeed, the track record would seem to suggest that any positive that trickles down to the little peeps is incidental, not intentional, and far more likely to come about as a result of competition and not cooperation.

.......and you demand that paintballl doesn't mirror life for what reason exactly?

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

Again, we'll see what THEY decide but I think what I've suggested IS a do-able and a natural progression from the local fields and events. If PSP could have 60 teams in Div 2 and 3 at the World Cup and that the full-blown timed matches of 32 minutes then why couldn't the same be achieved universally with the much less expensive first-to-five Lite format? I also think that standard 5-man is not such an unnatural stepping stone to X Ball Lite since it, like all the variations of X Ball I describe, can be played on the same field set-up just like it was at the World Cup

You're missing the point

We should not strive for the game "nearly" being the same as lover levels - it should be exactly the same - because that is the most beneficial to the sport as a whole.

I see absolutely no point in formats being different at different levels - but obviously you do - so please explain why that is a benefit, rather than a drawback?

Nick

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

oh crap, now it's doomed for sure...............

You forgot to say I suck

Nick

 

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by Robbo
.......and you demand that paintballl doesn't mirror life for what reason exactly?

No demands, just no stomach for playing cheerleader to say hello to the new boss same as the old boss. I'm a failed pragmatist, I'm afraid.

 

[Gyroscope]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Last Call

Originally posted by Robbo
.......and you demand that paintballl doesn't mirror life for what reason exactly?

The losers in life die. I'd rather see the paintball model employed, instead of the natural selection model, where we stack the deck as much as we are able to.

Ultimately, the competition that matters isn't NPPL vs PSP, it is paintball vs motorcross (or vs curling, or vs inline downhill tackle bowling). Other hobbies are a bigger impact on paintball's slide last year, in combination with no real new technology, less disposable income (maybe), and ballooning sponsorship for top teams (people are getting paid to play, right? where was that a couple of years ago).

If I had more faith in the unerring vision of our captains of industry, I would feel more sanguine about all the eggs being in one basket. It could be worse than Mssrs Green and Dehaan, but the reunification means that we can't vote except with a boycott. Since no one cares what those quitters think anyway, we can't vote after reunification in any meaningful way.