Thank you - finally someone gets it
- Which is why the format is more important than whether the big boys play in the same league
(still not mutually exclusive - but I just want to see the horse in front of the carriage every once in a while
)Nick
when will the date's be out for the nppl 2006
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- Which is why the format is more important than whether the big boys play in the same league
(still not mutually exclusive - but I just want to see the horse in front of the carriage every once in a while
)Nick
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Not sure how well that'll work due to the pansification of paintball.
If they unify, maybe I'll start my own league. I promise grass fields, crappy prizes, remote locations, fast, fun format,csemi-auto league-certified boards and every available penny spent on reffing. No bands, no fruit, water from a hose, you provide the water containers.
Not sure how well that'll work due to the pansification of paintball.
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Sorry but I think it is pretty self-evident. What I hope for IS the same format just different match durations. The obvious reason for that is that the higher up the food chain we go division-wise the more likely it is that a team has sponsorship and the resources to play longer matches thus using more paintballs. That should culminate in NXL-style (if not actually NXL itself) matches which should be the showcase for our sport with "full-length" matches even more suitable for media coverage.
I don't see how any of that could be construed as a drawback.
Paul, as for waving any flags to the new king, I ain't in anybody's pocket, but I am pissed off with the current state of affairs whereby we have conflict, disarray and lack of direction.
I know Dave well and I know Ged less well, look at what they have done for the sport Paul, these two guys ain't a couple of Jerry Brauns here trying to slice things up for their own ends.
However, I wanna make something clear here, although extensive talks between these two have gone on (and will continue to go on over the next week or so) and they do represent both parties (PP / NPPL and PSP / NXL) nothing that I have suggested or inferred has actually been decided upon 100%.
There are various stages of talks that have to deal with concerns such as format, nature of integration and compensations, and as such this is a process but until that final part of the process has been nailed, those considerations that have already been agreed in principle will not become finalised.
The house of cards will all fall down unless the whole process is successful so it's no use anybody getting all bent outa shape over anything until it's a done deal and is announced because it could all change in a heartbeat.
If my opinion is worth anything, if my judgment is worth anything then I will say this much, I trust these two guys to come up with what's best for the industry in terms of an expedient decisions and I also trust them to uphold the interests of their teams and the spirit of our sport.
Dave and Ged are both intelligent and have a proven track record of success, imagination and in my experience with them, both are honourable.
This ain't blowing smoke up anybody's ass Paul, this is telling it how it is, I trust these two, probably above most others to come up with a solution to tournament paintball's problems.
I know Dave well and I know Ged less well, look at what they have done for the sport Paul, these two guys ain't a couple of Jerry Brauns here trying to slice things up for their own ends.
However, I wanna make something clear here, although extensive talks between these two have gone on (and will continue to go on over the next week or so) and they do represent both parties (PP / NPPL and PSP / NXL) nothing that I have suggested or inferred has actually been decided upon 100%.
There are various stages of talks that have to deal with concerns such as format, nature of integration and compensations, and as such this is a process but until that final part of the process has been nailed, those considerations that have already been agreed in principle will not become finalised.
The house of cards will all fall down unless the whole process is successful so it's no use anybody getting all bent outa shape over anything until it's a done deal and is announced because it could all change in a heartbeat.
If my opinion is worth anything, if my judgment is worth anything then I will say this much, I trust these two guys to come up with what's best for the industry in terms of an expedient decisions and I also trust them to uphold the interests of their teams and the spirit of our sport.
Dave and Ged are both intelligent and have a proven track record of success, imagination and in my experience with them, both are honourable.
This ain't blowing smoke up anybody's ass Paul, this is telling it how it is, I trust these two, probably above most others to come up with a solution to tournament paintball's problems.
Then I'll explain it to you
There are two main reasons:
1)
It's a question of what kind of sports culture you want paintball to develop into.
If the format changes and becomes more costly, the higher up you get - paintball will develop into an "american style" sports culture, like NBA, NFL, etc. - where the team organisations stay in place, and player move up through the ranks as individuals (get drafted, etc.).
If the format is the same at any level, paintball will develop into a "European style" sports culture, where teams are promoted and relegated.
You can TRY to make it a hybrid, but it will never work well, because a team moving up to a higher division will stuggle even more than in other sports, because they have the added drawbak of adjusting to a format new to them.
2)
Paintball being a new sport, needs the added benefits of "new" players being able to afford playing the exact same game as the Pros. - Teams should be able to move up through the ranks on quality alone, without money being a big decider on whether they can do so.
We also want to get the benefits derived from players at local level being able to test themselves in the same format, on the same field design, with the same rules, etc. - as they see on TV.
Without that - it is like people watching formula 1 racing, wanting to try, and then going to drive gocarts.... a pale imitation.
Nick
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How is playing on grass less pansified than playing on asphalt parking lots? Hard-core players will slide on medical waste dumps, and they'll like it.
Anyway, it seems like it would be likely that there will be an event at Huntington Beach during the third weekend in March... I mean, these guys aren't stupid.
I am in if there's gambling.
How is playing on grass less pansified than playing on asphalt parking lots? Hard-core players will slide on medical waste dumps, and they'll like it.
Anyway, it seems like it would be likely that there will be an event at Huntington Beach during the third weekend in March... I mean, these guys aren't stupid.
....yawn..... yes Chicago, think of the cash you would save.....
And (yet) again, without bands, you would have less money to spend on what you want, not more. But hey, if it amuses you to continually act as dumb as the dumbest out there who am I to stop you, its not like I have time to explain the whole thing to you again.
And everyone knows it has to be one format. If it could be 2 formats, there would be a lot less reason for anyone to consider a merger, as, well, there are already 2 formats....
wait a minute though, maybe if the NPPL stopped giving away fruit and water to the 'mob', there would be enough money to give all the teams free entry and equipment, in which case no-one would care about the format anyway......
Genius!
So to re-cap - The sooner the NPPL realise that they need to stop blowing 10's of thousands of dollars on fruit and water the better. And those bands - don't get me started on the untold funds that would be freed up by not having people sponsor a stage and bring in 'out of paintball' support and funding for the event. Seriously - what are PP thinking?
Lets also cut out security, and just have people stage in the parking lot too, then more money could be spent on refs, right? Because the refs are so crap, aren't they?
for the record I think the reffing on the NPPL field (the only field I watched at the weekend) was some of the best I have seen. But as it's uncool to praise refs, I probably shouldn't mention it...
Are you kidding me? The reffing on the NPPL field was mediocre at best. 4 refs on each sideline, 2-3 in the middle. 8 refs on the outside and 3 on the inside should scream "Broken" to anyone with a clue. I repeatedly saw players convince refs to wipe real hits. The only reason the reffing looked passable was that the field was set up to inhibit movement and prevented th refs from being in too many situations where they'd have ot make a real decision.
As for bands, fruit, and water, havoing bands takes up space and resources, even if it's profitable. If it is profitable, then somebody should promote conceerts and then later dump their money into paintball tournaments if they'd like.
Obviously, you're not really interested in talking about the idea to begin with though, since you spent so much time focusing on fruit and water. You're right, that's not the big deal, although if spending*ANY* moneyon that is more important to you than spending money on reffing, I'm curious as to whether you're a paintball player or a paintball tourist.
The real money is *NOT* paying $40,000 to be in a stadium parking lot when you could pay $10,000 to be at a well-manicured paintball field. Playing at a paintball field 5 years ago was a problem because they sucked, but there are more and more fields nowadays that have extensive grass fields, extensive parking facilities, and urban locations.
Scrapping all this effort on stadiums, "turf", bands, etc, and focusing on the GAME isn't "stupid", it's a change in priorities. If you'd rather pay to play on carpeting on asphalt in front of a stadium with inexperienced refs paid $100/day than play on grass in the middle of nowhere with experienced refs paid $200+travel etc, then fine, spend your money how you'd like - but I think there are quite a fewpeople out there who would rather have real gun ruiles, real reffing, real paintball than something that focuses on nice press releases.
I thin you keep trying to turn what I'm saying into ragging on NPPL. What NPPL is doing is al well and good - but it's not what I, as a player, WANT. (Not that PSP is any better, aside from having grass.)
If I want to play paintball, I want good reffing, a good playing surface, good field setup, paint, air, and hopefully for the event to be on-schedule. Maybe if I'm bored, some vendors. What's wrong with wanting a league that provides me THOSE things first before spending ANY effort on anything else? Before youspend a dime on a stadium or disney or fruit or bands or grandstands, give me qualified refs who go to every event and are paid enough to keep the good ones coming back.
As for bands, fruit, and water, havoing bands takes up space and resources, even if it's profitable. If it is profitable, then somebody should promote conceerts and then later dump their money into paintball tournaments if they'd like.
Obviously, you're not really interested in talking about the idea to begin with though, since you spent so much time focusing on fruit and water. You're right, that's not the big deal, although if spending*ANY* moneyon that is more important to you than spending money on reffing, I'm curious as to whether you're a paintball player or a paintball tourist.
The real money is *NOT* paying $40,000 to be in a stadium parking lot when you could pay $10,000 to be at a well-manicured paintball field. Playing at a paintball field 5 years ago was a problem because they sucked, but there are more and more fields nowadays that have extensive grass fields, extensive parking facilities, and urban locations.
Scrapping all this effort on stadiums, "turf", bands, etc, and focusing on the GAME isn't "stupid", it's a change in priorities. If you'd rather pay to play on carpeting on asphalt in front of a stadium with inexperienced refs paid $100/day than play on grass in the middle of nowhere with experienced refs paid $200+travel etc, then fine, spend your money how you'd like - but I think there are quite a fewpeople out there who would rather have real gun ruiles, real reffing, real paintball than something that focuses on nice press releases.
I thin you keep trying to turn what I'm saying into ragging on NPPL. What NPPL is doing is al well and good - but it's not what I, as a player, WANT. (Not that PSP is any better, aside from having grass.)
If I want to play paintball, I want good reffing, a good playing surface, good field setup, paint, air, and hopefully for the event to be on-schedule. Maybe if I'm bored, some vendors. What's wrong with wanting a league that provides me THOSE things first before spending ANY effort on anything else? Before youspend a dime on a stadium or disney or fruit or bands or grandstands, give me qualified refs who go to every event and are paid enough to keep the good ones coming back.