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When is an Open Bolt gun not an Open Bolt gun?

Collier

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Originally posted by Doc Nickel
Nick- The point here is that there is no difference between open and closed bolt.

Every marker made, from the Splatmaster and Rapide, up to the IR3, A4 and everything in between, fires when the bolt is closed. All of them. Every single one.

That is, after all, the point of the bolt- to close off the breech, so that the burst of compressed gas can do it's job, propelling the ball down the barrel.

Yes, there's a few designs, like the old Nova, the ICE Epic and the Alien doohickey, that don't use a "bolt" per se, but the point is the same- they have some way of closing off the breech to that the air pushes the ball down the barrel, and doesn't escape elsewhere- out the loader neck, for example.

The key here is that SP has been actively promoting the idea of closed-bolt being "better" somehow, than open bolt. They've been saying this for years, pretty much since the first Shocker first came out (that and how much better low pressure was.)

And now, since they couldn't get the closed-bolt version of the new Shocker 03 working (at least well and reliably) they went with a very-close knockoff of the Matrix, and made it open bolt.

And so now they're looking at six or seven years of closed-bolt hype, and trying to release an open-bolt gun against that. It would have been one thing if the marker had a different name, but this is the Shocker, the low-pressure, closed bolt, shoots-a-mile-further marker.

So true to form, the Gardners invent yet more hype to cover the details- "Seal Forward Technology" is a newspeak way of saying "closed bolt emulator" like BE used to hype the Rainmaker with, and was used for the Angel for a short while. SFT simply means the bolt moves forward to close off the breech just before firing, just exactly like every other marker on the planet does.

Spyders, in fact, use "seal forward technology", as do the old VM-68s and 68 Specials. Oh, and 'Mags, and Illustrators, Golden Eagles, Sydarms, Matrixes, Angels, Firestorms, Black Draguns, GT 99s, Jokers, Infernos, Shutters, Poisons, Raiders, Vipers, M98s and A5s, STXs, Piranhas, Rebels and PT Enforcers.

It's an interesting look into how the Gardners' minds work.



-Well, except for the already-mentioned Sandridge 'Cocker (which has two air solenoids, one to run the cocking ram and another to run the sear ram) as well as both the RaceGun and E-Blade kits (which have one air solenoid for the cocking ram and one mechanical solenoid to trip the sear) and both versions of the original Shocker (PVI and SP, both of which had an integrated bolt/ram run by one solenoid, and were fired by a second solenoid.)

So sure, other than all those, the Excal is the only one. :D

Doc.
My bad!

Hmm now if noone notices the edit I'll be fine.....

Low pressure's a great idea as long as its not done at the expence of efficiency.

Paul
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manike

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Originally posted by Paul_collier
Low pressure's a great idea as long as its not done at the expence of efficiency.
Low pressure SHOULD be a RESULT of efficiency and not a goal in itself.

After all every single gun Tom Kaye has ever tested actually fires with between 60 and 110psi behind the actual paintball...
 

jahlad

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so basically pritty much everything ive read from the marketing blurb for the new shocker is cheese on toast....


and that shocker bolt looks very matrix! id sue ;)
 

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why sue?
Draxxus dosn't sue smart parts, and smart parts don't sue draxxus.

Since Smart Parts violated Draxxus' patent, they can basically continue to make electros without fear or retabution from Smart parts over the grip frame patent.

It's all gotten very political now kids.
:eek:

I can see one major paintball syndicate forming on the horizon, Smart Parts, National, and Draxxus, all holding hands while crushing the opposition.
maybe :confused:
 

manike

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Originally posted by Red_Merkin
why sue?
Draxxus dosn't sue smart parts, and smart parts don't sue draxxus.

Since Smart Parts violated Draxxus' patent, they can basically continue to make electros without fear or retabution from Smart parts over the grip frame patent.

It's all gotten very political now kids.
:eek:
Colin subsitute DYE for Draxxus and you may have just caught up with the times... Draxxus have NOTHING to do with this anymore.

DYE now owns the rights to the Matrix... Cost em a pretty penny too...
 
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It's my new mission statement for PGI and all our writers...literary terrorism and subversion is the wave of the future and the new-look PGI.

Issue 175 will reveal all...
 

Collier

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Originally posted by duffistuta
It's my new mission statement for PGI and all our writers...literary terrorism and subversion is the wave of the future and the new-look PGI.

Issue 175 will reveal all...
really? Should I take a more cynical view on the markers then usual?

Paul.
:)