What's your opinion on Iraq?
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I say we get the green party in here. its time for some radicalism. I vote we go in full guns- show them we arent f-in around here, and make them bow to us. Bush is going to wait till the last possible moment- to "see what happens" and its gonna be too late.
Has Pakistan dropped a nuke on their own people??North Korea's opened up dialogue with the U.S. to try to ease relations with the 2 countries..The fact is those arent countries that worry us 2 much right now..If the time came where they threatened world peace id say F#ck yeah lets go after them too..And the weapons of massdistruction reason bull, what about pakistan ,north korea ,the us wants to sort it's own country out first b 4 they stick their nose into another,sort out ur crime infested streets help ur homeless and atleast try and sort out ur drugs problem b4 u even think of bombing another country,all those bombs they will drop all those inocent lives that will b lost
Im proud to be an American.Crime has been at its lowest in years,Homeless people have shelters and free food if they so choose it, and drugs are a worldwide problem not just a U.S. problem..Maybe try checking facts first before spewing garbage about a place i call home..
Sod it give Saddam the damn nukes he's after anyhow.
Whats the old saying 'Keep your friends close but your enemies closer'
Even If he does nuke the westen capitals it would make for some prime flat land for balling in the centre of cities.
Or we could always sell him duds.(If the french havn't already done so, Damn frogs) that would stop him building his own. Then when he goes to fire them all he would get is a fizzzzzzzz.......
Whats the old saying 'Keep your friends close but your enemies closer'
Even If he does nuke the westen capitals it would make for some prime flat land for balling in the centre of cities.
Or we could always sell him duds.(If the french havn't already done so, Damn frogs) that would stop him building his own. Then when he goes to fire them all he would get is a fizzzzzzzz.......
My view...
Just had to go open the front door and watch those pigs flying by. Justin and I agree on something for once.
>>>>> hmmm iraq has oil fields right the us wants the oil,so get rid of the countrys leader and put a leader in that will trade with the west just like afghanistan eliminate the current leader and put a more western friendly leader in charge.<<<<<
If you believe that, you're an idiot. I don't think you're an idiot, so I think it's more likely you're spouting off in defiance.
This has NEVER been the US' modus operandum. Naturally, oil is of concern to our country but we are hardly dependent upon IRAQ to survive and we are plenty capable of plowing into the Middle East and just plain TAKING what we want...but then again, that's never been the modus operandum of the U.S., WE THE PEOPLE wouldn't stand for it, and it won't happen.
On the other hand, we see someone such as Saddam who is a clear threat not only to the region but to the world as well, and more so should he aquire weopons of mass destruction, and something MUST be done about him.
Headrock made an interesting point about Iraq's non-compliance with post-Gulf War sanctions. He has been given an opportunity to abide by these rules.
>>>>> And the weapons of massdistruction reason bull, what about pakistan ,north korea ,the us wants to sort it's own country out first b 4 they stick their nose into another,sort out ur crime infested streets help ur homeless and atleast try and sort out ur drugs problem b4 u even think of bombing another country,all those bombs they will drop all those inocent lives that will b lost<<<<<
OK maybe you are an idiot. (relax, that's a joke)
Pakistan and N.Korea have not demonstrated themselves to be an irrational threat. N.Korea has, by and large, stuck to itself...and has recently accepted invitations to the diplomatic table. Pakistan's conflict has been with India, and neither nation has been an overt threat to the outside and both have been willing to discuss talks of decreasing hostilities and such. Saddam, on the other hand, fits neither of these characteristics.
As for your ridiculous attempt at characterizing the U.S., All countries have their problems but ours is definitely not run amok. You, sir, may just be the victim of some hellacious propaganda. As for innocent lives being lost, that is exactly what we want to avoid BY getting rid of Saddam and people like him. And our actions in places such as the Gulf War and the recent conflict in Afghanistan demonstrates our resolve to avoid killing of innocents as much as possible. We could have simply nuked the entire countryside and then we definitely would NOT have missed Osama...but we didn't, and I'm glad we didn't, even though he probably got away.
>>>>> justin what dont u get about these terrorists ? answer me 1 question would u commit suicied for your beliefs?? because these terrorists will and have ,and u will never stop that<<<<<
OH I get plenty about these terrorists. I also "get" that terrorism is a business, and if you're out of business you can't do business. I get that had Osama had the slightest idea that 9/11 would have brought about an all-out war against his organization and the very country that sheltered him, I don't think he would have done it and instead would have continued on with relatively "small" by comparison attacks on American interests. Why? Well if I need to answer that one for you...
Also, I "get" that terrorists are, by their very nature, bullies and cowards. And as I learned early in grade school, if a bully/coward considers that he might get a bloody nose in response to picking on you, the bully/coward will leave you alone.
I also get that all terrorist organizations will, from the day the first bomb was dropped in Afghanistan, consider very strongly the possibility of harsh American response for terrorist acts carried out against us. No tit-for-tat or ridiculous four cruise-missle retaliations anymore. The leaders of these organizations (key point) can no longer consider themselves immune to retaliation.
Lotsa love to all,
~Justin Owen~
If you believe that, you're an idiot. I don't think you're an idiot, so I think it's more likely you're spouting off in defiance.
This has NEVER been the US' modus operandum. Naturally, oil is of concern to our country but we are hardly dependent upon IRAQ to survive and we are plenty capable of plowing into the Middle East and just plain TAKING what we want...but then again, that's never been the modus operandum of the U.S., WE THE PEOPLE wouldn't stand for it, and it won't happen.
On the other hand, we see someone such as Saddam who is a clear threat not only to the region but to the world as well, and more so should he aquire weopons of mass destruction, and something MUST be done about him.
Headrock made an interesting point about Iraq's non-compliance with post-Gulf War sanctions. He has been given an opportunity to abide by these rules.
>>>>> And the weapons of massdistruction reason bull, what about pakistan ,north korea ,the us wants to sort it's own country out first b 4 they stick their nose into another,sort out ur crime infested streets help ur homeless and atleast try and sort out ur drugs problem b4 u even think of bombing another country,all those bombs they will drop all those inocent lives that will b lost<<<<<
OK maybe you are an idiot. (relax, that's a joke)
Pakistan and N.Korea have not demonstrated themselves to be an irrational threat. N.Korea has, by and large, stuck to itself...and has recently accepted invitations to the diplomatic table. Pakistan's conflict has been with India, and neither nation has been an overt threat to the outside and both have been willing to discuss talks of decreasing hostilities and such. Saddam, on the other hand, fits neither of these characteristics.
As for your ridiculous attempt at characterizing the U.S., All countries have their problems but ours is definitely not run amok. You, sir, may just be the victim of some hellacious propaganda. As for innocent lives being lost, that is exactly what we want to avoid BY getting rid of Saddam and people like him. And our actions in places such as the Gulf War and the recent conflict in Afghanistan demonstrates our resolve to avoid killing of innocents as much as possible. We could have simply nuked the entire countryside and then we definitely would NOT have missed Osama...but we didn't, and I'm glad we didn't, even though he probably got away.
>>>>> justin what dont u get about these terrorists ? answer me 1 question would u commit suicied for your beliefs?? because these terrorists will and have ,and u will never stop that<<<<<
OH I get plenty about these terrorists. I also "get" that terrorism is a business, and if you're out of business you can't do business. I get that had Osama had the slightest idea that 9/11 would have brought about an all-out war against his organization and the very country that sheltered him, I don't think he would have done it and instead would have continued on with relatively "small" by comparison attacks on American interests. Why? Well if I need to answer that one for you...
Also, I "get" that terrorists are, by their very nature, bullies and cowards. And as I learned early in grade school, if a bully/coward considers that he might get a bloody nose in response to picking on you, the bully/coward will leave you alone.
I also get that all terrorist organizations will, from the day the first bomb was dropped in Afghanistan, consider very strongly the possibility of harsh American response for terrorist acts carried out against us. No tit-for-tat or ridiculous four cruise-missle retaliations anymore. The leaders of these organizations (key point) can no longer consider themselves immune to retaliation.
Lotsa love to all,
~Justin Owen~
Our crime infested streets?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/gun
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2002/02/24/do2401.xml&sSheet=/opinion/2002/02/24/ixopinion.html
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2002230341,00.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/1119896.stm
http://www.observer.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,363711,00.html
London: Robbery rate 5.6 offences per 1,000 people.
Central Newcastle: Highest number of violent attacks - ranging from common assault to murder - with 236.5 per 1,000 residents.
When you go to war. There are no winners, just a lot of dead people.
All i want to know is why now?
These arabs have been doing this to each other for a long time.
Seems to me that, religion has a lot to do with why these peolpe fight.
Without starting a fresh argument, you need to understand why the arabs hate you. Then remove the reason, that they fight for.
This would justify any action against them, without creating any new martyrs. If you kill them now, you will only add fuel to the fire.
For every one bomber, there are loads waiting for their turn.
If people start seeing body bags come home, public opinion will change. Remember Vietnam.
The only reason our troops are still there, is we arnt having a lot of bodys, and blood, on the T.V.
All i want to know is why now?
These arabs have been doing this to each other for a long time.
Seems to me that, religion has a lot to do with why these peolpe fight.
Without starting a fresh argument, you need to understand why the arabs hate you. Then remove the reason, that they fight for.
This would justify any action against them, without creating any new martyrs. If you kill them now, you will only add fuel to the fire.
For every one bomber, there are loads waiting for their turn.
If people start seeing body bags come home, public opinion will change. Remember Vietnam.
The only reason our troops are still there, is we arnt having a lot of bodys, and blood, on the T.V.
Well named
But--
Hate isn't causal, it's a choice.
Do various people have various grievances, serious ones? Sure they do but once the stakes are raised to indescriminate killing the options for responding narrow considerably.
If a man breaks into your house intent on doing you and yours bodily harm are you first going to stop him or try to understand why?
It starts with our way of life, Gary. Western society, even yours, is viewed as corrupt and ungodly. Instead of allowing people to live as they chose your haters have decided the corruption is an abomination and must be destroyed. Then there is general western support of Isreal coupled with 50+ years of Arab governments punting the Palestinians all over the Middle East as pawns in a united policy of the ultimate destruction of Isreal. So if we all just left Isreal to its fate the animus aimed at us would diminish but what about all those other millions of people? Seems to me the West already turned a blind eye to Jewish genocide once. Are we prepared to do it again? It's a very big rock and a very hard place.
But--
Hate isn't causal, it's a choice.
Do various people have various grievances, serious ones? Sure they do but once the stakes are raised to indescriminate killing the options for responding narrow considerably.
If a man breaks into your house intent on doing you and yours bodily harm are you first going to stop him or try to understand why?
I'll admit war isn't a nice thing, but no winners? The Kuwaitis may disagree with you there.
As apposed to waiting until they obtain a nuke and use it on somone? Just because it became fashonable to turn the other cheek when Iraq failed to meet the requirements of resolution after resolution, doesn't mean we should keep that cheek turned. A terrorist group can be dangerous, a terrorist state is dangerous. Especially now after 9/11.
As I've stated earlier, they hate us because of our freedoms. The fundamental Islamic teachings state that their way is paradise. What the Taliban had in Afghanistan was their version of heaven on Earth, and there aim is to spread that type of theocracy Westward. One thing stands in the way of this expansion, democracy, and the champions of it, the US.
Remove democracy? Not without a fight brother!
The reason these people listen to the teachings of hate and jihad is because their standard of living is so poor. Ever notice that the richer Arab's are usually less devout? That's why Osama want's to depose the King of Saudi, that and the fact that he is friendly towards the infidels (us). It is the age-old story of the have's versus the have not's. The Arab world is so alien to us namely because they have no middle class, it's all rich and poor.
We already saw the body bags. They came out of the WTC, Pentagon and Pennsylvania.
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