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Collier

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Re: OK, here's the deal...

Originally posted by cjohns


I am going to say Chris Edwards (formerly of Shockwave) will lead the new found JCS Imperial team to the top in the near future.:D
That is afterall what JCS Imperial were set up to do, they have the sponsers the talent and the resourses to do it, they will put UK paintball back on the map!

Paul
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Thanks TJ, your damn right about our captain situation too, we dont have quality captains like the top US teams do, and if we have they need to get off their asses if were ever gonna move up the rankings.

As for which team could do it.....hmmm i feel more debate coming on here, JCS imperial are good.....but which team busted their asses outa the diablo field at the euro indoor...?

thats right! dave stewarts new pro team OutKast...were comin for ya;)
 

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...the gentleman who asked Mr. Big if he'd actually ever played paintball, because Mr. Big talked about "mugging" off the break:

I know for a FACT that this is something many, many American teams look for on fields. In case you were joking, you got me. In case you weren't, I'm shocked.

At the Campaign Cup this year, I was playing with Robbo's team...on the Diablo field I mugged our opponent in HIS 35-40 yard line steamroller off the break. It was successful, and in fact ended up shooting two players with the move.

In Atlantic City this year, we played the All Americans on the PMI Sup'Air ball field, and I sent one of my guys to bunker out TWO of the All A's off the break. He, too, was successful, and in fact ended up shooting three of them.

I find it hard to believe that this is viewed as something that "doesn't" or "can't" happen, when in fact I think it's a possibility much more than it's actually employed. Maybe it's just a different way of looking at the game, more aggressively at that...what do ya'll think???

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what was the outcome of that game, did the AA's go really really defensive on you?
 

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Off the break in my view means on the way to your primary bunker, Mugging again as I understand it is to come round on an opponents bunker and mark him.
You with me?
So I fail to see how an opponent can be mugged off the break. if you see what I mean?
I do appreciate that you the mugger may be on your break but the 'victim' is in their bunker already so is not.
Hope that makes sense...?!?!?

Paul.
 

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Hmmmmmmm

I have kept out of this till now, so that I could see what everybody thought, some of it is pretty cool and informed while others are talking out their ass.
I have written on many occasions both in here and in the magazine why the Yanks are so much better.
I will restate the reasons, some of which have already been mentioned and touched upon.
Their player pool is huge, something like a thousand times more than ours and hence the cherry picking of players by the NPPL teams (both Amateur and pro) will provide those teams with a calibre of player that we cannot ever hope to match.
You cannot argue with the relative stats unless of course you are an idiot.
But does this mean we can't ever compete ?
No, it does not, it means we have to concentrate not on cherry picking because on a pro rata basis with the Yanks, we are numerically doomed to failure.
The only way is to train and organise ourselves better than them.
The Russian Legion probably had a player pool of something like two hundred players at best, considerably less than our own but I tell you this much (with no disrespect to Shockwave), they are the best team in Europe by a long way and I mean a long way.
This team are not only the best technicians, they also don't cheat and that is NOT something you can say about any other top team in Europe or in the world for that matter.
Let me just put their abilities into some form of context, if the Russian Legion ever decided to cheat like the rest of the pro teams, Shockwave, Ton Tons, Ducklings, Avalanche, Aftershock, who frikkin ever, they would all get their asses handed to them by the Russians....big time !!!!!!!
Now they would not win every single game against these teams every time they played them but for the most part, they would win more than they would lose against each opponent.

If anybody and I mean anybody tries to tell you any different, then they are talking **** and trying to minimise the fact or rather significance of his own team's predisposition to cheat and its consequent effect on performance.
So, the Ruskies give us a clue, it is all in the training and the approach, all this hoo ha about the JCS Team bringing with it a new dawn of UK paintball.
Well, I ain't gonna hold my breath, the first time Chris told me about his new team I could tell from the very first minute that he had no real idea of what needs to be done to get to the top in this sport and I say that with no disrespect to him or any of the team.
Their level of sponsorship is nowhere near the top Yank teams, so even from the get go, if sponsorship is a significant consideration in team success, the JCS team are already playing catch-up.
No, I'm afraid the JCS team are not the dawn of a new era for Brit paintball nor anywhere near it.
I still speak quite a lot to Marcus Davis (Ex Capt. of the all conquering Preds) and have discussed on many occasions the state of Brit Paintball.
People like him are few and far between, they had vision, determination and he knew the game inside out.
I see nobody on the UK scene with a like mind, the only breath of fresh air has ironically come from Moscow and I say ironically because of the sheer lack of players they have over there.
I have said many times that if we really want to begin to compete on a world stage then somebody has to get serious with the money.
It's no good handing over a few boxes of paint and some battle packs and wondering why the hell you haven't got into the pro semi finals, the degree of investment for a UK team to get up there is a significant departure from what is being handed out now.
Coupled with that monetary investment, there has to be the calibre of player who is not only determined but also talented and can dedicate a lot of his time to practice and tournaments.
And lastly, they need somebody like Marcus Davis to guide them though it all.
We can all start moaning at each other if we had level playing fields with the Yanks in terms of numbers but we shouldn't all get too stressed out when they have all the numeric and monetary advantages.
We just have to use our grey matter a bit more than they and this is where I think we will reap rewards but there's one thing saying it, quite another for somebody to do it.
The Ruskies have, anybody in the UK wanna put their hands in their pockets ? .....and frikkin deep pockets they gotta be :)
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Robbo
 

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Well, what can be said in reply to Robbo's post, no company is goint to pile money into a team that *might* have what it takes, the only way a team is going to get that money is by proving themselves in the local circuit and the millenium circuit.

What money is needed then? Equipment? I think its safe to say that all the players have adequate equipent to do the job, they did at the last tournament I attended any rate!
So then I guess its down to somewhere to train, someone to train with, paint, someone with experiance to do the coaching and then tournament entrance fee's, all in all not that much cash really (depending on IF the experianced coach is going to charge??) when split among 10 men (minnimum). or am I missing something else?

Paul.